[R129 SL] Broken key and wather inside
Jan Kuylaars
jan at rian-bv.nl
Wed May 18 12:28:52 EDT 2005
Key:
There is a way to order only the key part from the flip key. It is not
expensive, about 25 dollars.
The key part is being hold with a small pin what's going right true the
flip part.
So you can order a new key part and put it in the flip key, and keep the
old part in your wallet for spare.
The only thing you then need is a wrench to turn the small key part in
the lock.
Water:
When I bought mine 500 SL from 89 three jeers ago, the complete carpet
under the seats were wet.
I put the car in my garage and dry as much as possible. I checked every
possibility were the leak was.
At the beginning I take a electrical wire off 2.5 mm2 cupper with a
plastic foil and put those wire true the
Water outputs near the turning point of the linnen cabrio roof. That
are rubber hoses what go from the turning point true the bottom of the
car, so the water can flow away before it runs into the car.
In the rubbers at the left and right front window is the same hole. Try
to make these pipes clean from dirt.
I look under the motor hood to see if there was any leak.
At the end I find the leaks: Screw off the metal part above the side
window skirts.
Take off the plastic window skirts by pulling it to you. It is been hold
by nylon pins en steel clips.
Then at the top of the windshield you can see that the windshield is
round of at both upper corners.
The rubbers and the list are straight. There is the problem. !!! Between
the glued windshield and the rubber list is a special rubber part, that
is put between the two parts and then is glued with rubber kit. The iron
plate where the screw is fit in to hold the brown metal part at top, is
bend in 90 degrees. It is fit between the upper black plate and the
rubber from the windshield. The rubber glue was been altered. There were
small holes between all parts and when it was raining the water comes
true the small holes in to the car. It drips between the inside skirt
and the windshield down to the dashboard, and in my car on both sides
between the carpet and the bottom. I was lucky that the power control
for the electrical seats is fitted in a plastic pool, so the water stays
out the electronics.
It is a very good change that the water and moister is dripped into your
instrument cluster and make the short circuits.
In the instrument cluster is a lot off computerizing also for the
engine, so.................
That's maybe why the cluster becomes a Christmas tree. After drying the
problem is now over. But you must check the instrument cluster for
damage. You can see if there was moister. It leafs a small circuit of
white powder. If it is only water the there will be no serious damage.
But if there will be a second material into the water, you must clean
the parts before they will be giving a electrical streaming. Because
when that's happens, the stream will cause a burning process and makes a
coal circuit, what stay's and make a definitive short circuit. Then you
must remove this coal with a knife or something.
I take off the rubber glue from the parts, use thinner or turpentine to
clean and unfat the parts.
Then I take a new rubber glue and make it watertight, so now my car is
dry, even with the Holland rain.
Good luck
Jan Kuylaars from the rainey Holland.
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4. extra keys (Jeffrey Cogan)
5. RE: extra keys (Deneal Schilmeister (Portege))
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:13:58 -0700
From: "Mike Preiss" <mpreiss at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [R129 SL] Electrical problems when it rains
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I'm hoping someone can help with this. My dealer is baffled after a
working on my car for a week. Every time I get my car washed, even if
it's a hand wash, or when it rains, my 91 500SL acts up. The instrument
cluster lights up like a Christmas tree, the gas gauge goes dead but
speedo still works. On starting from a stop the car stalls and stumbles
badly, and at idle when in Drive will often stall. Will run in Neutral
though. After a day or two, of dry weather, the problem goes away. Of
course the dealer just wants to replace the ECL and instrument cluster
($5000 just for parts) but admits that might not fix the problem. I
don't agree that the computer or the cluster are fried, since the
problem disappears after time to dry. Also, how would water be getting
to both just by coincidence?
Logic would seem to indicate water is getting to something in common to
the engine computer and the cluster. My guess is a cable connecter
somewhere is letting water in and causing a short, but where? Any help
greatly appreciated.
Mike Preiss
91 500SL
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:58:34 -0400
From: "George Jenner" <gjenner at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Electrical problems when it rains
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Mike, try this process of elimination for lack of any other ideas. When
the problem next occurs get out your handy dandy hair blow dryer and try
drying each suspect connector and wire to see if you get lucky. This
may take awhile but hey, the rewards could be great.
Best of luck, George
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:47:25 -0700
From: "gregoiro at weststargroup.net" <gregorio at weststargroup.net>
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [R129 SL] Electrical problems when it rains
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The only cable that seems to be "outisde" the car leading to the
instrument cluster would be temperature guage wire in the front air dam.
Just my 2 cents... Sounds like one of those pain-in-the-*ss problems
that keeps you up at night... The hair dryer seems like a good idea
too.
Cheers,
Greg
91 500SL
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From: Mike Preiss
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Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:13 AM
Subject: [SPAM] [R129 SL] Electrical problems when it rains
I'm hoping someone can help with this. My dealer is baffled after a
working on my car for a week. Every time I get my car washed, even if
it's a hand wash, or when it rains, my 91 500SL acts up. The instrument
cluster lights up like a Christmas tree, the gas gauge goes dead but
speedo still works. On starting from a stop the car stalls and stumbles
badly, and at idle when in Drive will often stall. Will run in Neutral
though. After a day or two, of dry weather, the problem goes away. Of
course the dealer just wants to replace the ECL and instrument cluster
($5000 just for parts) but admits that might not fix the problem. I
don't agree that the computer or the cluster are fried, since the
problem disappears after time to dry. Also, how would water be getting
to both just by coincidence?
Logic would seem to indicate water is getting to something in common
to the engine computer and the cluster. My guess is a cable connecter
somewhere is letting water in and causing a short, but where? Any help
greatly appreciated.
Mike Preiss
91 500SL
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:08:46 -0700
From: "Jeffrey Cogan" <jeffreycogan at hotmail.com>
Subject: [R129 SL] extra keys
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I left my car keys at my mother's on mother's day and had to rent a car
while she sent them to me. Does anyone know how much to have a back up
key made and are there any cheap places to go to have one made.
Jeffrey SL320
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:43:41 -0500
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: [R129 SL] extra keys
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Subject: [R129 SL] extra keys
I left my car keys at my mother's on mother's day and had to rent a car
while she sent them to me. Does anyone know how much to have a back up
key made
Yes
and are there any cheap places to go to have one made.
No
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:51:39 -0700
From: "Adam Gage" <ADAPL12 at ADELPHIA.NET>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] extra keys
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I paid for mine at the dealer - around 180 after showing them my title.
I looked and looked and couldn't find anything cheaper.
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I left my car keys at my mother's on mother's day and had to rent a
car while she sent them to me. Does anyone know how much to have a back
up key made and are there any cheap places to go to have one made.
Jeffrey SL320
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 23:15:35 -0500
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: [R129 SL] extra keys
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Actually, I bought the key with the remote built in for my SL320 right
before I wrecked it.
I bought it from Rusty at BuyMBParts.com for $135 a year ago.
I'm not sure if Rusty can get them anymore. A non remote key should be a
lot less.
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St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
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I paid for mine at the dealer - around 180 after showing them my title.
I looked and looked and couldn't find anything cheaper.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:40:51 -0400
From: "George Jenner" <gjenner at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] extra keys
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Jeff, when I bought my SL (used) it only had one beat-up flip out key
and the remote was broken. The first thing I did was check the owners
manual to see what keys came with the car when new. From that I found
that there was a key called a "flat key" made to fit all the locks on
the vehicle. I ordered one of these keys immediately from my local MB
dealer at far less cost than a new remote flip out key. I now carry
this flat key in my wallet and, so far have not needed it, but it's
there waiting just in case. (I also bit the bullet and ordered a new
remote key later) Any new key ordered will require proof of ownership
at the dealer - I guess they all got spooked when the movie "Gone in
sixty seconds" hit the big screen.
Happy Motoring, George
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:50:15 -0700
From: "Jeffrey Cogan" <jeffreycogan at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] extra keys
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Thank you. I don't like it but I'll pay it.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 06:53:34 -0700
From: "Jeffrey Cogan" <jeffreycogan at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [R129 SL] extra keys
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Thank you George. I'll probably buy the key you recommend and buy the
flip
key when I lose my flip key.
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