[Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 14

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>   1. rams (Carl Fosbrink)

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>   3. Re: Jacob-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 13 (Joan Gross)

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>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:18:49 -0400

>From: "Carl Fosbrink" <fourhornfarm at frontier.com>

>Subject: [Jacob-list] rams

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>Do you have a ram that you think has an outstanding set of horns? If so I would love to see photos of him. I will also send photos of some rams I think have outstanding horns if you like. 

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>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:24:38 -0400

>From: Sara Dunham <thecrazysheeplady at myfavoritesheep.com>

>Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

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>In Kentucky, if they drag them off, that's a sign of coyotes rather than

>dogs killing for sport.  Our guardian dog - who we really had no idea how

>much we would appreciate/like/not be bothered by the barking...and would

>now never be without - has been working hard lately keeping the boundaries

>established.  It's one of those times of the year.  Interesting question

>about the tails, but if I had to guess, I don't think docked tails are any

>help.  If something's going to grab one, they're going to grab them :-/.

>I'm sorry you've had losses.  It's an awful feeling.

>

>Sara

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>Punkin's Patch

>Cynthiana, Kentucky

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>>    1. predator question (Karen Askounis)

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>>    3. Re: predator question (Neal Grose)

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>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:40:51 -0500

>> From: "Karen Askounis" <kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com>

>> Subject: [Jacob-list] predator question

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>> For those of you who have lost sheep to coyotes is it common to have almost

>> nothing remaining after the attack? I have lost two ram lambs (one at a

>> time) - the first one simply was gone without a trace! No blood, no wool,

>> no

>> wool or hair over or under fences - nothing. The second one - as is usually

>> the case - my most favorite sheep of all time L - found one piece of hide,

>> some bits of wool, his tail, no blood anywhere in pasture, again no wool or

>> hair on any exterior fences. These were ram lambs about 6 months old. They

>> were in with a donkey. Not sure if I should be mad at the donkey or happy

>> he

>> kept losses to one lamb each time. This pasture had a hot wire across the

>> top but no lower predator hot wire (until last weekend, after the fact of

>> course). There were a few spots where the ground had washed away a bit

>> under

>> the fence leaving some space under the fence where I figure they got in.

>> Does this sound like a pack of coyotes or should I be looking for something

>> else? We are in north eastern Illinois. Not sure what other predators to be

>> thinking of.

>>

>>

>>

>> On a slightly different subject - does anyone think sheep with un-docked

>> tails are easier for predators to catch??

>>

>>

>>

>> Karen Askounis

>>

>> Three Fates Farm

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>> Crete, IL

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>> kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com

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>> From: Jennifer Tucker <gotothewhip at aol.com>

>> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

>> To: Karen Askounis <kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com>,    Jacoblist

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>> If you we're here in Colorado, I would be looking for a burying spot and

>> suspect a mountain lion.  They typically drag off their kills whole and

>> come back at another time. They often prey on domestic animals to teach

>> their young to hunt

>>

>> Jennifer Tucker

>> Moose Mtn Ranch

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone

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>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:40 PM, "Karen Askounis" <

>> kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com> wrote:

>>

>> > For those of you who have lost sheep to coyotes is it common to have

>> almost nothing remaining after the attack? I have lost two ram lambs (one

>> at a time) ? the first one simply was gone without a trace! No blood, no

>> wool, no wool or hair over or under fences ? nothing. The second one ? as

>> is usually the case ? my most favorite sheep of all time L ? found one

>> piece of hide, some bits of wool, his tail, no blood anywhere in pasture,

>> again no wool or hair on any exterior fences. These were ram lambs about 6

>> months old. They were in with a donkey. Not sure if I should be mad at the

>> donkey or happy he kept losses to one lamb each time. This pasture had a

>> hot wire across the top but no lower predator hot wire (until last weekend,

>> after the fact of course). There were a few spots where the ground had

>> washed away a bit under the fence leaving some space under the fence where

>> I figure they got in. Does this sound like a pack of coyotes or should I be

>> looking for something else? We a

>>  re in north eastern Illinois. Not sure what other predators to be

>> thinking of.

>> >

>> > On a slightly different subject ? does anyone think sheep with un-docked

>> tails are easier for predators to catch??

>> >

>> > Karen Askounis

>> > Three Fates Farm

>> > Crete, IL

>> > kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com

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>> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:34:53 -0400

>> From: "Neal Grose" <nlgrose at yadtel.net>

>> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

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>> Here in the East, it is more typical to see nothing but a rumen left. it

>> is not unusual for a coyote to take a lamb out of a flock and not disturb

>> the rest of the flock.

>> We are seeing an increase in pack mentality among coyotes. where they used

>> to work singularly or in pairs and only take animals small enough to carry,

>> they are now sometimes work in groups large enough to attack adult deer. I

>> wonder if this is due to inclusion of dog in their genetics from when they

>> first started moving into the area. I know that we originally saw coy-dogs

>> which were very aggressive (and got shot for their trouble).

>>

>> Neal Grose

>>

>> From: Jennifer Tucker

>> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:03 AM

>> To: Karen Askounis ; Jacoblist

>> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

>>

>> If you we're here in Colorado, I would be looking for a burying spot and

>> suspect a mountain lion.  They typically drag off their kills whole and

>> come back at another time. They often prey on domestic animals to teach

>> their young to hunt

>>

>> Jennifer Tucker

>> Moose Mtn Ranch

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone

>>

>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:40 PM, "Karen Askounis" <

>> kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com> wrote:

>>

>>

>>   For those of you who have lost sheep to coyotes is it common to have

>> almost nothing remaining after the attack? I have lost two ram lambs (one

>> at a time) ? the first one simply was gone without a trace! No blood, no

>> wool, no wool or hair over or under fences ? nothing. The second one ? as

>> is usually the case ? my most favorite sheep of all time L ? found one

>> piece of hide, some bits of wool, his tail, no blood anywhere in pasture,

>> again no wool or hair on any exterior fences. These were ram lambs about 6

>> months old. They were in with a donkey. Not sure if I should be mad at the

>> donkey or happy he kept losses to one lamb each time. This pasture had a

>> hot wire across the top but no lower predator hot wire (until last weekend,

>> after the fact of course). There were a few spots where the ground had

>> washed away a bit under the fence leaving some space under the fence where

>> I figure they got in. Does this sound like a pack of coyotes or should I be

>> looking for something else? We a

>>  re in north eastern Illinois. Not sure what other predators to be

>> thinking of.

>>

>>

>>

>>   On a slightly different subject ? does anyone think sheep with un-docked

>> tails are easier for predators to catch??

>>

>>

>>

>>   Karen Askounis

>>

>>   Three Fates Farm

>>

>>   Crete, IL

>>

>>   kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com

>>

>>

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>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:15:34 -0700

>From: Joan Gross <mudranch at gmail.com>

>Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 101, Issue 13

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>Karen,

>

>I kind of feel like an "almost-an-expert" in the area of predator attacks.

>We've had four mountain lions, various coyote attacks, and domestic dog

>attacks here in the far northern reaches of California.  I have seen coyote

>kills that leave almost no trace but some shards of bone and bits of wool.

>Usually that would be from a young lamb (smaller amount of meat) and/or

>attacked by a larger number of coyotes mostly due to having pups.  If you

>still have a carcass, most of the time the rear end and some of the insides

>would be eaten out and the rest is left until they come back again perhaps

>the following night.

>

>A mountian lion kill would show a large drag trail (especially if the kill

>was a considerable size, such as an adult) and you would find the carcass

>stuffed in near by bushes and mostly covered wtih leaves/needles/dirt.

>They lions will eat a bit of the fresh kill then bury it to keep it fresh

>and come back the following night to chew on it some more.  Once the

>carcass starts to rot, the lion won't be interested.  They only like fresh

>meat.

>

>If I was in your shoes, I would call out your department of fish & game and

>they can usually do some investigating as to what the predator was.  They

>can then put you contact with a federal trapper who can come set snares (if

>coyotes) or bring in the hounds to hunt the lion.  You need to call them

>immediately as the fresh "crime scene" is most helpful with investigating -

>and scent is fresh for the hounds too.  If you have the fish & game out,

>keep animals away from the carcass so you can keep the scent fresh.  Keep

>dogs away.

>

>I'm sorry for you losses - I can certainly sympathize.  I've lost some of

>my favorites too.

>

>Joan Gross

>Mud Ranch Jacobs

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>> Message: 1

>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:40:51 -0500

>> From: "Karen Askounis" <kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com>

>> Subject: [Jacob-list] predator question

>> To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>> Message-ID: <000001cd9d2b$12527200$36f75600$@com>

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>> For those of you who have lost sheep to coyotes is it common to have almost

>> nothing remaining after the attack? I have lost two ram lambs (one at a

>> time) - the first one simply was gone without a trace! No blood, no wool,

>> no

>> wool or hair over or under fences - nothing. The second one - as is usually

>> the case - my most favorite sheep of all time L - found one piece of hide,

>> some bits of wool, his tail, no blood anywhere in pasture, again no wool or

>> hair on any exterior fences. These were ram lambs about 6 months old. They

>> were in with a donkey. Not sure if I should be mad at the donkey or happy

>> he

>> kept losses to one lamb each time. This pasture had a hot wire across the

>> top but no lower predator hot wire (until last weekend, after the fact of

>> course). There were a few spots where the ground had washed away a bit

>> under

>> the fence leaving some space under the fence where I figure they got in.

>> Does this sound like a pack of coyotes or should I be looking for something

>> else? We are in north eastern Illinois. Not sure what other predators to be

>> thinking of.

>>

>>

>>

>> On a slightly different subject - does anyone think sheep with un-docked

>> tails are easier for predators to catch??

>>

>>

>>

>> Karen Askounis

>>

>> Three Fates Farm

>>

>> Crete, IL

>>

>> kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Joan Gross

>> www.mudranchjacobs.weebly.com

>> www.mudranch.com

>> www.facebook.com/mudranch

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