[Jacob-list] Wobbly lambs and Se

[Linda]

No added copper does not mean no copper. There could be copper in 
whatever went into the mix. Does the block have a min/max on copper 
content?  How much copper is in your hay? Your grain?

On 3/25/2011 4:36 PM, Zach Oaster wrote:

> I have fed my Jacobs mineral blocks offered by TSC in my area (West 

> Michigan). It contains everything, except no added copper. Does anyone 

> recommend occasionally feeding a standard mineral block... say, every 

> fourth block? My reading has suggested that toxicity can occur 

> quickly... so I have been very careful to make sure they never get 

> minerals with copper. What has worked for you?

>

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> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Neal Grose <nlgrose at yadtel.net 

> <mailto:nlgrose at yadtel.net>> wrote:

>

>     a neighbor of mine had sheep and carefully fed copper free

>     supplements until she found out that her sheep had copper

>     deficiency anemia. Our thinking is that our VERY high iron soils

>     prevented uptake of copper.

>     it is worth noting that mineral content that can result in copper

>     deficiency in Jacob sheep can produce copper toxicity in white

>     face longwools. We have had that as well. the results are about

>     like setting off a metabolic hand grenade in your animals.

>     Neal Grose

>     North Carolina

>     *From:* stockdogs <mailto:stockdogs at comcast.net>

>     *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2011 1:44 PM

>     *To:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com <mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>     *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] Wobbly lambs and Se

>

>     Hi All,

>

>     I've lurked for quite awhile and always read the Jacob list with

>     great interest as there is so much knowledge collected here.  I

>     notice the talk of copper deficiency and wanted to pass along that

>     this has been cropping up with Shetland breeders for the past

>     couple of years.  I had four sheep serum tested last year and all

>     were copper, zinc and magnesium deficient.  Selenium was fine.   I

>     had soil test done and my property is low in molybdenum and high

>     in zinc, I always keep loose sheep/goat minerals on hand so why

>     they are deficient is the mystery.  None of us can figure out what

>     is inhibiting the uptake of copper.  I've recently tried copper

>     oxide boluses from NZ and a friend used copper/cobalt/selenium

>     boluses she got from the UK.  It will take some time to figure out

>     if these help since it's a time release process.

>

>     I'd be interested to hear about the mixture Heather came up with

>     that includes Red Cell.  Can you share?

>

>     Thank you,

>

>     Sally

>

>     Granite Falls, WA

>

>

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>     Message: 1

>     Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:45:19 -0600

>     From: "gotothewhip at aol.com

>     <mailto:gotothewhip at aol.com>"gotothewhip at aol.com

>     <mailto:gotothewhip at aol.com>

>

>     We treated with multiple doses of BoSe with no results. We also

>     tested on

>     necropsy and the only thing he was deficient in was COPPER.

>

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>     Message: 3

>     Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:23:03 -0400

>     From: "Heather Hettick" hettick.1 at osu.edu <mailto:hettick.1 at osu.edu>

>

>     That makes some sense.  The Icelandic people are finding a lot of

>     sheep who are deficient in copper or other minerals and the

>     mixture I make contains Red Cell, which has copper.  My last two

>     lambs with the wobbles have received this so maybe that is part of

>     what has helped them too.  I need to get some livers tested to see

>     how my sheep are actually doing with minerals, but I haven?t done

>     it yet.  I do more experimenting and really should get the tests

>     to have a better idea that what I?m doing is the right thing.

>

>     Heather

>

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