[Jacob-list] Ram

[BISCHOW at aol.com]

The only thing I would add is to be sure to turn him to help prevent  
pneumonia--ie don't let him lay on one side more than a few hours.
 
Louise  
you tell a horse.
you ask a  donkey.
and you negotiate with a mule.  

 
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1. Re:  Need any medical help on ram (gotothewhip at aol.com)
2. Ram  Health (Stephanie  Rutherford)


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Message:  1
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:17:06 -0500
From:  gotothewhip at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Need any medical help on  ram
To: pegvanbeek at msn.com, jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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It sounds like you are on a good  path... I am also NOT a vet, but had to 
deal with a few in tough spots..  goats, but Im sure the same treatment.

I would get some sugar in him..  Even if you just rub it on his gums.. Karo 
Syrup works perfect to get them  going.....The ringers will do him good as 
well... If you need to, now that he  is getting more into normal range, warm 
up the ringers and just give it Sub-Q  under the skin.  

If you have Vit B I would include that, as well  as a steroid like 
Dexmethazone... I am a beliver that no weak animal should  die without steroids and 
vitamin B... It wont hurt to give him (short term,  dont do it long term, 
and no more banamine for a few days) and may jump start  him.. but see if you 
can get the Vitamin B if nothing else!    

We used old milk jugs to warm up a doe that got hurt one time.... Just  
fill them with warm tap water, and set them in on each side.  Lots of  rubbing 
to get the skin feeling things again! 

You can use cooked  oatmeal or baby cereal to get him going as well Syringe 
it to him if he is  swallowing....... You might concider including some 
yougart and or Probiotics  to get his gut going.. thus was likley stressful 
enough to shut that  down...And I would keep up with the lamb drench....

Jennifer  Tucker
Moose Mtn Ranch




-----Original  Message-----
From: Marguerite Van Beek <pegvanbeek at msn.com>
To:  jacob-list <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 6:28  pm
Subject: [Jacob-list] Need any medical help on ram


This  morning our yearling ram (our best yearling ram) was found underneath 
the lean  to in his field.  It is not very large and flipped over in the 
strong  winds we had last night.  I have no idea how long he was there but 
when  we found him he as frozen to the ground barely alive.
His temperature was  unreadable on the thermometer lower than 90.  We 
worked on him throughout  the day, 2cc banimine, 500 ml of lacated ringers, lamb 
drench.  We also  had him inside our home downstairs in the basement.  I 
took til 3 pm to  notice any change in the temperature,
it slowly made it to 100.3 this  evening around 6:30.  He is alert, we gave 
him mixture of water and  mashed up feed by syringe, which I think made the 
difference.  He cannot  stand up yet and I am not too sure he will.  I 
don't know how much damage  was done by the cold and the lean to on his body.  
Twice Alex's new  husband came in and told us we were wasting our time and 
suffering and should  be put down.  Is there anything anyone can think of that 
I should be  giving him.  I will kep trying if he is willing to  fight.

Peg
Hardwick NJ

PS  Only a Jacob could fight  this
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Message:  2
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:22:34 -0500
From: Stephanie Rutherford  <stephlrutherford at gmail.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] Ram Health
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>

> I think the ram may be  fine, I don't know without seeing him for sure. I

> would feel his bones  and see if you can feel any breaks in the bones. If 

he

> was bleeding  internally, or anything like that he would be in severe pain

> and would  be dead in about 12-24 hours. I think if you caught him in 

time he

>  should be fine. If he has made that much of an improvent in a day I 

think  he

> should be fine. I would look at him and see if he seems to be in  pain, 

if he

> is in pain, I would feel him and see if there is a place  that it seems 

to be

> located in.  I have seen lambs revover right  after being born 7/8ths of 

the

> way frozen to death and they have  pulled through. Another solution is 

warm

> up towels in the dryer or  blankets . Also bean/corn bags that are dry

> microwave them for like 30  seconds and put them under their legs in their

> "armpits" we use bean  bags on lambs and I'm sure with proper location it

> will work on larger  animals, vets offices use this for after surgury as 

well

> to help. But  he sounds like he should pull through. The first 24 hours 

are

> the most  important




> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>  From: Marguerite Van Beek <pegvanbeek at msn.com>

> To: jacob-list  <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:28:30  -0500

> Subject: [Jacob-list] Need any medical help on ram

> This  morning our yearling ram (our best yearling ram) was found 

underneath

>  the lean to in his field.  It is not very large and flipped over in  the

> strong winds we had last night.  I have no idea how long he  was there but

> when we found him he as frozen to the ground barely  alive.

> His temperature was unreadable on the thermometer lower than  90.  We 

worked

> on him throughout the day, 2cc banimine, 500 ml of  lacated ringers, lamb

> drench.  We also had him inside our home  downstairs in the basement.  I 

took

> til 3 pm to notice any change  in the temperature,

> it slowly made it to 100.3 this evening around  6:30.  He is alert, we 

gave

> him mixture of water and mashed up  feed by syringe, which I think made 

the

> difference.  He cannot  stand up yet and I am not too sure he will.  I 

don't

> know how  much damage was done by the cold and the lean to on his body.

> Twice  Alex's new husband came in and told us we were wasting our time and

>  suffering and should be put down.  Is there anything anyone can think  of

> that I should be giving him.  I will kep trying if he is  willing to 

fight.

>

> Peg

> Hardwick NJ

>

>  PS  Only a Jacob could fight this

>

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