[Jacob-list] importations

[Jacobflock at aol.com]

I re-read Painter's book Jacobs in America and can't find the mention  of 
lawn ornaments on Victorian estates in America.  There are many  referencves 
to their lawn ornament status in the Parks of the UK.   Il  think that any 
case for importations of what we call Jacobs before 1950 (just to  lay down a 
marker) should have some evidence but his is not without  difficulty.  
First, Jacob was not a popoular settled breed name; second,  brief references to 
polycerate sheep and sheep horned in hboth sexes could refer  to 
"established breeds" but not specifically used by the writer ... such as the  case 
with the New Hampshire reference which could just as easily be a Manx  
Loughtan; third, the ever wandering horned cross-breds.
 
Fred Horak
 
 
In a message dated 9/16/2009 5:00:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
nlgrose at yadtel.net writes:

Thanks Fred,
 
Ingrid's book cites the use of Jacob's  Sheep as lawn ornaments in 
Victorian estates. My guess is that  the Anglophiles among the Nuevo-rich set may 
well have brought in a few  sheep for curiosity's sake. This would not have 
been as an "importation". It  would have given someone the chance to collect 
several and inbreed for  type a group that was kept in the back yard.
 
Neal
 

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In a message dated 9/13/2009 8:42:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
_nlgrose at yadtel.net_ (mailto:nlgrose at yadtel.net)  writes:

There were  importations in the 50s, and we THINK that there may have been 
some  in the 1890s. Certainly there have been some odd groups of Jacobs that 
no  one could really account for. Not sure anyone has really figured it all 
 out.
 
Would be very interested in the site or information suggesting what we  now 
call Jacobs were in fact Jacobs and may have been in the US or North  
America in the 1890's.  The earliest text reference I can find is to a  ram of 
"the Scottish 4-horn race." used in breeding experiements related to  the 
"poll/horn/hornless" gene expressin in 1912 at the University of  New HAmpshire. 
 But I have not been able to find any picture or  record of any experiement 
results related to "the Scottish 4-horn race" ram  which would confirm that 
it was what we today call the Jacob.
 
The contemporaneous printing of Elwe's Primitive Breeds and their  Crosses 
at Bristol, England, the following year and the writings  of Heatly, Ewart, 
etc, at this time suggest a very few flocks located in the  Parks and a few 
sheep here and there... I counted like 28 flocks in England  in the 
1910-1915 period,  some known to be crosses.  My sense is  they were rare as 
documented and reported and would not be international  "export/import" goods 
considering the population and basic economics of the  breed.  However, as Elwes 
notes (1913), the crosses to the primitive  breeds could be locally 
profitable in the hills mid-lands which may account  for some of the "cross flocks" 
in the 1900s census.  
 
Fred Horak
St. Jude's Farm
1165 E. Lucas Road
Lucas, TX   75002



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