[Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 42, Issue 28

[kbarrett at bmi.net]

Fred: Thank you for the post. I had a lamb I thought died from OCD a few
years back. I have changed bloodlines in the rams, and have not had
further incidence.  I am saving this info though, just in case I should
need it this lambing season. It is a heartbreaking disease.
Kate Barrett
Ruby Peak Jacobs




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> 1. Re: registration-favor it (Robin Lynde)

> 2. Re: Congenital defects - Lysosomal disease (Susan J Martin)

> 3. Re: Congenital defects - Lysosomal disease (Mark Essen)

> 4. Re: Registration (ARTHUR PARTRIDGE)

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> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:31:56 -0800

> From: "Robin Lynde" <rlynde at onramp113.org>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] registration-favor it

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> "I register all the ewes that I am fairly sure will pass - I had one

> failed (AC) in 2005"

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> I want to chime in here on the conversation. There continues to be some

> confusion about a sheep that is designated AC (Appendix Certified) by

> JSBA. An AC designation is NOT a "failed" sheep.  AC is a designation

> given to a ewe that is out of registered parents but that does not meet

> the breed standard in some way (too little color, all horns scur-like,

> etc) Her offspring may be registered after going through the regular

> inspection process.  We do not consider an AC sheep to be "registered"

> for purposes of showing, but they have not "failed". A ewe would be

> failed if she had traits that indicated crossbreeding.

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> The Guidebook states:AC'd ewes are considered purebred but do not, for

> reasons such as color or marking, meet the breed standard. Ewe progeny

> (no rams) from registered parents of any generation which do not conform

> to the breed standard, can be placed into the AC category. All progeny

> (male or female) from AC'd ewes, bred to registered rams, are eligible

> for inclusion into the Foundation Flock (FF) after passing inspection.

> Rams cannot be recorded into the AC category. They can only be passed or

> failed.

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> You might be interested to know the number of sheep that are registered,

> failed, etc with JSBA. I don't have the numbers calculated for 2007 yet,

> but here is the info for 2006. FF Rams 12

> FF Ewes 43

> A rams 27

> A ewes 110

> B rams 40

> B ewes 152

> C rams 37

> C ewes 122

> D rams 31

> D ewes 93

> E rams 5

> E ewes 9

> F ewes 4

> AC ewes 10

> Total sheep: 695

> Failed sheep (ewes and rams): 9

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> You can see that the percentage of AC ewes and failed sheep of any gender

> is very small. This makes me think that I should write an article for the

> newsletter...but the deadline was yesterday and I'm working on another

> article right now. Hmmm. Back to writing.

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> Robin Lynde, JSBA Registrar

> Meridian Jacobs

> Vacaville, CA

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> From: Meg Steensland

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> Subject: [Jacob-list] registration-favor it

> that won Breed CH at the Richland Co fair as a LAMB over two registered

> adults because of her fine fleece and nice hornset, so I do not think the

> process is perfect-but it is the best we have.  This year a ram was

> failed because a 5th tiny horn is fused to the top one but the rt lateral

> on that side is not fused - judge did not see it that way and the person

> I got the ram from does not think he is 'fused' either.  However, I will

> still continue to register all stock I will use for breeding.

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> I did get 3 Jacob lambs Dennis could not breed as he has their sire in

> trade for 3 he could breed to his ram.  He may get his originals back in

> another trade after he gets a new ram - he doesn't routinely register

> (has 4 registered ewes from me and Mary Spahr and a registered ram but

> mostly does fiber and locker lamb).  One of those three just had a F1 ram

> lamb last week as Dennis did not move the dam in time.  Two of the three

> ewews could be registered, but one is TOO LIGHT and the other did not get

> her tail docked - so those will stay here until another trade or someone

> shows up that really wants THAT one.

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> I plan to register the Navajos I got from Stacks as soon as I can get

> pictures (outside) and fleece samples.  I am less certain that they

> (sheep)will pass as I do not have any experience looking for the right

> traits yet. I plan to show both Jacobs and Navajos at the 4 fairs I go to

> even tho I will be competing against myself (may get brother to submit

> new group and show them) because I am more interested in promoting the

> sheep to new breeders than in 'winning'  - I 'win' when we get more

> people working on preserving these breeds.

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> I will get off the soapbox now.

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> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:07:36 -0500

> From: "Susan J Martin" <stcroft at ptd.net>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Congenital defects - Lysosomal disease

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> Fred, it was so good to hear from you again.  I am glad to know the

> research is ongoing.....hadn't heard anything in a while.  Hope you are

> doing well. Sue Martin

> Stonecroft

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> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:19 PM

> Subject: [Jacob-list] Congenital defects - Lysosomal disease

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> First, I should indeminy myself ... identify myself.  I am an aged man

> with Jacobs.

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> I received a telephone call from Dr. John Edwards at Texxas A&M's vet

> school regarding any further status reports on congenital dfects in

> Jacobs, spefcifically any reports of lysomal disease, GM2 gangliosidosis.

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> I wrote some iinformation on this lethal disaese in 2002, along with the

> annual listing of congenital defects in winter 2002, which was made

> available to the JSC and JSBA.  In fact, one of my earliest obervations

> of this problem was the JSBA meeting iin New York a years ago and there

> were two reported cases, one confirmed/one unconfirmed in 2003, the last

> year I managed to remain "on-line".

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> Columbia University has been working with Texas A&M to try to capture

> furtherl gene information on this disease (which is also a human disease)

> anmd both institutions are earnestly lookiing for infected lambs.  With

> new lambs hitting the ground it would be very helpful if Jacob breeders

> would identify possible infected lambs, monitor thier progress , and when

> it dies, contact Dr Edwards at 979-845-4608 and see if it is possible to

> have a necropsy and spinal tissue sample taken.

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> Most of the affected aheep have Turner 183K as a confirmed pedigree

> source, one had a Jacobs Ladder as a potential source (Dr. Womack, Txas

> A&M).  Thus, the ability to have a pedigree for the affected lamb would

> be extremely helpful so the genetic material can be compared.

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> If you need further informatrion, you might contact Joan Schnieber to see

> if she has a copy of the article from 2002 which describes the symptoms,

> etc.  It is lethal and many cases of OCD may in fact be GM1 or GM2.  If

> you observe Jacobs with splayed legs, weak pasterns, off gait, ataxia,

> etc., watch and observe until it becomes recumbant and, if it dies,

> please get involved ... for the sake of humans and the breed.

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> Thank you for you attention.

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> Fred Horak

> St. Jude's Farm

> 1165 E. Lucas Rd.

> Lucas, TX 75002

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> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:38:06 -0800

> From: "ARTHUR PARTRIDGE" <aztreaz at earthlink.net>

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>> For someone new to this list and relatively new to Jacobs (to sheep

>> of any breed actually!), can someone summarize how the two Jacob

>> registries are similar and different, addressing the question 'why'

>> would one register with one, the other, or both?

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> Many years ago, someone locally told me that one Jacob registry was

> "easier

> to get into" than the other one and that I should try for the easy one to

> make sure the sheep got registered.  I didn't pursue it.  I don't know if

>  this is true today.  Really doesn't make much sense; except, I suppose

> that the "easy" one will have more sheep registered in it.  Wouldn't the

> sheep have a higher value if they are in the registry with the higher

> standards (i.e. harder to get into)?

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> Cathy

> Moscow, Idaho

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