[AGL] looked it up in the archives. you can too

[Jon Ford]

Harry-- I remember reading the  possible "snippets" from Jim you include 
below-- I called them  a "paraphrase" in my letter to Mike, and still feel 
they are taken from context ( I still don't see the entire message) , and 
there is no hard evidence Bill ever sent them or wrote them. At worst, they 
illustrate, as you say , that Jim was pissed and got hostile. Whatever-- 
many of us do that from time to time. Myself included-- I wish I could take 
back the many unkind things I have said about Wayne, Gerry, Telebob, and 
even Mike. If Jim really said these things about/to Mike, I am sorry, and  I 
hope he can get over it.

Jon



----Original Message Follows----
From: Harry Edwards <laughingwolf at ev1.net>
Reply-To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 
60s<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>
To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 
60s<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>
Subject: Re: [AGL] looked it up in the archives. you can too
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:18:43 -0500

sounds like he might have been merely saying go fuck yourself.

On Aug 18, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Michael Eisenstadt wrote:

>I went looking through the archives of AGL and found Jim Strong's
>original message. Also the headers which showed that he sent it.
>
>This is around the end of August 2004. You can look at it in
>context at http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/austin-ghetto-list/
>
>Here is some of this thread which I just found in the archives.
>First the headers, then a long self-indulgent letter of mine
>reproducing what Jim Strong said, this in response to a letter
>from Pepi.
>
>-------
>
>Jon,
>
>Jim Strong denies sending me his message?????
>
>Here are the headers of the message if you need proof I received it.
>The rhetoric of the message itself is pure Jim Strong. I would be hard
>pressed to invent the misspellings or think to cuss in Yiddish or to
>speak as he did of my wife.
>
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>From: Jim Strong <strongjim at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Theodorakis interview
>To: austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net
>Cc: michaele at HotPop.com
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>From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil at yahoo.com>
>To: <austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>
>Cc: "Ghetto 2" <GHETTO2 at LISTSERV.WHATHELPS.COM>
>Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Response
>
>
>>Mike, you remind me of Don Quixote, fighting
>>windmills! You want to pick a fight whether there's
>>one there or not! Is this a late midlife crisis, or
>>what?  You send a blip out of the blue talking about
>>how you were insulted by an e-mail sent by Jim Strong,
>>but you don't forward the e-mail.  There's no way to
>>know what Jim meant without seeing it, albeit he
>>rightly figured it was personal.
>
>It was personal but he posted it both to me and
>to agl. I should have allowed it to go through but
>it was so creepy I was ashamed to.
>
>That was a mistake it seems. Here's his email
>in its entirety
>
>START HERE
>
>--- Michael Eisenstadt <michaele at HotPOP.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/469781.html
>>
>>very long interview with Theodorakis the great Greek
>>composer by an Israeli journalist
>>
>>he is full of it just like Jim Strong and others but
>>more nuanced.
>>
>>here's a snippet
>=================
>   <reply>
>    what a pathetic, whiney little schnorra weasel you
>are mikey ... i. e. Gai kakhen afenyam ....
>    or, in the laternative, go engage in your favorite
>pasttime - anal (and/or) banal intercourse with your
>significant other doppleganager ...
>    maybe you should try to get another waiter job -
>and avoid being fired this time for being a flaming
>asshole with the customers ...
>
>peace and have another xanax.
>
>STOP HERE
>
>I shouldnt have showed to Madelon as it upset her.
>
>What set him off I don't know. I said that Theodorakis
>and Jim Strong and others are full of it. The expression
>"full of it" seems so anodyne so what set him off?
>
>Pepi, I want you to know that I take pills for my male
>menopause and the tests show that it is under control.
>The figures are in range and that's science. Unlike
>FHR (female hormone replacement) medication ours
>is distilled from horny stallion pee.
>
>Pepi also said
>
>>You are developing paranoid conceptualizations,
>>as ever, as you enumerate at length friends and
>>acquaintances in consideration of their possible
>>view of you.
>
>At length? This is so unfair. Jon Ford mistakenly
>identified Wayne Johnson (40 year friendship)
>and Gerry Storm as having dissed me on
>JSDGMLG2.
>
>I wrote merely to disabuse him of an error. Jon
>has never even MET Wayne. Gerry I know from
>the Raw Deal. Jon Ford spoke ONLY of Wayne
>and Gerry.
>
>I shoulda stopped there. But at the keyboard a
>counterbalancing contrast seemed to be needed.
>So I named JS, Simmons, Ted Samsel and
>Fontaine also as folks who really REALLY dont like
>me. Pepi, that aint paranoid conceptualizations,
>that's simply the way it is. It's only 4 people, it's
>not a big deal. Sorry it's such a problem for you.
>
>Afterwards Wayne confirmed my claim of friendship.
>And Gerry publicly giggled at Wayne's revelation of the
>LEGUME conspiracy against me.
>
>You're right about email being an imperfect medium.
>I have always thought that the charm of OUR maillist
>was that we knew each other in real life and saw
>one another at parties. So when reading Karen or
>Connie or other folks that we actually know in real life,
>it always strikes me how lifelike their emails are,
>you can almost hearing them speaking, it is SO them.
>
>As compared to folks one knows ONLY through
>email.
>
>I think the problem with my letters is that the
>charm of full self-expression is too tempting for
>me. My self-expression IS different from the
>usual Texan sensibility, I know that. But my view
>is that if I find myself living among folks with a
>more buttoned-up sensibility, the last thing I
>would do in my whole life would be to adopt it.
>Alas, this decision does not easily make me
>friends nor do I have any ambition to run for
>elected office.
>
>It's like Jack Nicholson at the end of the Sean
>Penn directed movie The Pledge where
>Nicholson is sitting on the porch of his lakeside
>house drinking a beer and arguing with himself
>with gestures. Or is it?
>
>Mike
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