[AGL] looked it up in the archives. you can too

[Harry Edwards]

Yeah, Jon, words are powerful weapons. I agree there is no "hard" 
evidence of Jim writing those words. We'll never know. I still question 
resurrecting this old e-mail so soon after remarking on saying nothing 
ill of the dead. Mike nurtures old perceived slights and grudges. 
Apparently he hasn't seen my post asking to be unsubscribed. I admire 
your wish to take back past unkind statements. But I can't abide a man 
being unfairly termed a "nutcase" even before burial. Seeya on G2.

On Aug 18, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Jon Ford wrote:

>
> Harry-- I remember reading the  possible "snippets" from Jim you 
> include below-- I called them  a "paraphrase" in my letter to Mike, 
> and still feel they are taken from context ( I still don't see the 
> entire message) , and there is no hard evidence Bill ever sent them or 
> wrote them. At worst, they illustrate, as you say , that Jim was 
> pissed and got hostile. Whatever-- many of us do that from time to 
> time. Myself included-- I wish I could take back the many unkind 
> things I have said about Wayne, Gerry, Telebob, and even Mike. If Jim 
> really said these things about/to Mike, I am sorry, and  I hope he can 
> get over it.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Harry Edwards <laughingwolf at ev1.net>
> Reply-To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 
> 60s<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>
> To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 
> 60s<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>
> Subject: Re: [AGL] looked it up in the archives. you can too
> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:18:43 -0500
>
> sounds like he might have been merely saying go fuck yourself.
>
> On Aug 18, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Michael Eisenstadt wrote:
>
>> I went looking through the archives of AGL and found Jim Strong's
>> original message. Also the headers which showed that he sent it.
>>
>> This is around the end of August 2004. You can look at it in
>> context at http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/austin-ghetto-list/
>>
>> Here is some of this thread which I just found in the archives.
>> First the headers, then a long self-indulgent letter of mine
>> reproducing what Jim Strong said, this in response to a letter
>> from Pepi.
>>
>> -------
>>
>> Jon,
>>
>> Jim Strong denies sending me his message?????
>>
>> Here are the headers of the message if you need proof I received it.
>> The rhetoric of the message itself is pure Jim Strong. I would be hard
>> pressed to invent the misspellings or think to cuss in Yiddish or to
>> speak as he did of my wife.
>>
>> Return-Path: <strongjim at yahoo.com>
>> Received: from web80302.mail.yahoo.com (web80302.mail.yahoo.com
>> [66.218.79.18])
>>  by mx1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CBA9E8892
>>  for <michaele at HotPop.com>; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:24:43 +0000 (UTC)
>> Message-ID: <20040827162446.12245.qmail at web80302.mail.yahoo.com>
>> Received: from [207.70.170.154] by web80302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; 
>> Fri, 27
>> Aug 2004 09:24:45 PDT
>> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:24:45 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Jim Strong <strongjim at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: Theodorakis interview
>> To: austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net
>> Cc: michaele at HotPop.com
>> In-Reply-To: <001e01c48c4f$596f7c00$a9bad6c6 at baal>
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> X-HotPOP-Delivered-To: michaele at HotPop.com
>>
>> From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil at yahoo.com>
>> To: <austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>
>> Cc: "Ghetto 2" <GHETTO2 at LISTSERV.WHATHELPS.COM>
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Response
>>
>>
>>> Mike, you remind me of Don Quixote, fighting
>>> windmills! You want to pick a fight whether there's
>>> one there or not! Is this a late midlife crisis, or
>>> what?  You send a blip out of the blue talking about
>>> how you were insulted by an e-mail sent by Jim Strong,
>>> but you don't forward the e-mail.  There's no way to
>>> know what Jim meant without seeing it, albeit he
>>> rightly figured it was personal.
>>
>> It was personal but he posted it both to me and
>> to agl. I should have allowed it to go through but
>> it was so creepy I was ashamed to.
>>
>> That was a mistake it seems. Here's his email
>> in its entirety
>>
>> START HERE
>>
>> --- Michael Eisenstadt <michaele at HotPOP.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/469781.html
>>>
>>> very long interview with Theodorakis the great Greek
>>> composer by an Israeli journalist
>>>
>>> he is full of it just like Jim Strong and others but
>>> more nuanced.
>>>
>>> here's a snippet
>> =================
>>   <reply>
>>    what a pathetic, whiney little schnorra weasel you
>> are mikey ... i. e. Gai kakhen afenyam ....
>>    or, in the laternative, go engage in your favorite
>> pasttime - anal (and/or) banal intercourse with your
>> significant other doppleganager ...
>>    maybe you should try to get another waiter job -
>> and avoid being fired this time for being a flaming
>> asshole with the customers ...
>>
>> peace and have another xanax.
>>
>> STOP HERE
>>
>> I shouldnt have showed to Madelon as it upset her.
>>
>> What set him off I don't know. I said that Theodorakis
>> and Jim Strong and others are full of it. The expression
>> "full of it" seems so anodyne so what set him off?
>>
>> Pepi, I want you to know that I take pills for my male
>> menopause and the tests show that it is under control.
>> The figures are in range and that's science. Unlike
>> FHR (female hormone replacement) medication ours
>> is distilled from horny stallion pee.
>>
>> Pepi also said
>>
>>> You are developing paranoid conceptualizations,
>>> as ever, as you enumerate at length friends and
>>> acquaintances in consideration of their possible
>>> view of you.
>>
>> At length? This is so unfair. Jon Ford mistakenly
>> identified Wayne Johnson (40 year friendship)
>> and Gerry Storm as having dissed me on
>> JSDGMLG2.
>>
>> I wrote merely to disabuse him of an error. Jon
>> has never even MET Wayne. Gerry I know from
>> the Raw Deal. Jon Ford spoke ONLY of Wayne
>> and Gerry.
>>
>> I shoulda stopped there. But at the keyboard a
>> counterbalancing contrast seemed to be needed.
>> So I named JS, Simmons, Ted Samsel and
>> Fontaine also as folks who really REALLY dont like
>> me. Pepi, that aint paranoid conceptualizations,
>> that's simply the way it is. It's only 4 people, it's
>> not a big deal. Sorry it's such a problem for you.
>>
>> Afterwards Wayne confirmed my claim of friendship.
>> And Gerry publicly giggled at Wayne's revelation of the
>> LEGUME conspiracy against me.
>>
>> You're right about email being an imperfect medium.
>> I have always thought that the charm of OUR maillist
>> was that we knew each other in real life and saw
>> one another at parties. So when reading Karen or
>> Connie or other folks that we actually know in real life,
>> it always strikes me how lifelike their emails are,
>> you can almost hearing them speaking, it is SO them.
>>
>> As compared to folks one knows ONLY through
>> email.
>>
>> I think the problem with my letters is that the
>> charm of full self-expression is too tempting for
>> me. My self-expression IS different from the
>> usual Texan sensibility, I know that. But my view
>> is that if I find myself living among folks with a
>> more buttoned-up sensibility, the last thing I
>> would do in my whole life would be to adopt it.
>> Alas, this decision does not easily make me
>> friends nor do I have any ambition to run for
>> elected office.
>>
>> It's like Jack Nicholson at the end of the Sean
>> Penn directed movie The Pledge where
>> Nicholson is sitting on the porch of his lakeside
>> house drinking a beer and arguing with himself
>> with gestures. Or is it?
>>
>> Mike
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