[R129 SL] RE: R129LIST Digest, Vol 18, Issue 2
jan kuylaars
kuylaars at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 8 11:47:58 EDT 2006
Rob seitle, i send you on privet mail; the drawings and tekst how to remove.
That,s why we cannot send files with this mail.
500 SL Flying dutchmen.
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> 1. STEPHANIE AUTRY/MACL/TEKNOR APEX COMPANY is out of the
> office. (sautry at teknorapex.com)
> 2. R129 Cosole Trim (seitle)
> 3. Re: soft top not raising (Paul Samarin)
> 4. Re: R129 Cosole Trim (George - R129)
> 5. Re: R129 Cosole Trim (Paul Samarin)
> 6. Re: R129 Cosole Trim (gregorio at weststargroup.net)
> 7. SL top problems (Bob Terry)
> 8. Re: SL top problems (jeff osborne)
> 9. Re: SL top problems (Frank GLASCOTT)
> 10. Re: R129 Cosole Trim (Frank GLASCOTT)
> 11. RE: R129 Cosole Trim (David Elliott)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:01:18 -0700
>From: sautry at teknorapex.com
>Subject: [R129 SL] STEPHANIE AUTRY/MACL/TEKNOR APEX COMPANY is out of
> the office.
>To: SL Mailing List <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
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>I will be out of the office starting 06/07/2006 and will not return until
>06/19/2006.
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>I will respond to your message when I return.
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:01:14 -0700
>From: "seitle" <seitle at whidbey.com>
>Subject: [R129 SL] R129 Cosole Trim
>To: <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
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>The top control switch on my 96 SL is low in the console and the fiber
>optic illumination of the shift lever position is out of alignment. I would
>like to fix this, but I do not know how to remove/replace the console trim
>- I mean the wood covered section. I know how to do that on my 300E, but I
>have no tech literature for the SL. Can anyone help me?
>
>Rolf Seitle
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>Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:15:47 -0700
>From: Paul Samarin <pauls at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] soft top not raising
>To: SL Mailing List <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
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>It seems that there is a click just as the switch moves a tiny bit (say
>within the first half inch downward) and then there's another click at
>the last tiny bit (say within the last half inch downward). The first
>one is being triggered but not the second one (unless the cover pushes
>it the rest of the way when it closes and locks.)
>
>I did get the order of things right, b/c it's pretty clearly set forth
>in the manual. Front left one click, then right two clicks, then one
>more click on the driver's side, then go to the back for one click
>left, two right, one more left, etc. The locks are not grabbing the
>top's bracket.
>
>It may be that I have to cycle the whole thing through--whether
>manually or however--to trip all the appropriate switches in the proper
>order.
>
>No more time to play with it today. Tomorrow may bring more info!
>
>Still hopeful,
>
>Paul
>
>On Jun 7, 2006, at 9:52 AM, Anil M Seunath wrote:
>
> > Once the top makes contact with the switch and there is a click ...
> > then
> > you're in business.. Its an on-off switch. Without it.. the sequence
> > will
> > not complete. I'm sure its needed when opening the top.. Maybe it
> > plays a
> > part in closing too..
> >
> > Note : the front locks to the windshield first, followed by the back
> > cover
> > and the back glass lock down..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Samarin
> > <pauls at sbcglobal.
> > net>
> > To
> > Sent by: SL Mailing List
> > r129list-bounces@ <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
> > mbcoupes.com
> > cc
> >
> >
> > Subject
> > 06/07/2006 12:23 Re: [R129 SL] soft top not
> > raising
> > PM
> >
> >
> > Please respond to
> > SL Mailing List
> > <r129list at mbcoupe
> > s.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Not sure I'm making progress, but I'm taking baby steps at least. I
> > think I may have more than one problem with the thing.
> >
> > I have located the switch I think you're referring to. It is white
> > plastic with a blue plastic piece. The soft top pushes it down when
> > the top closes. However, mine is not traveling the full distance down.
> > When I push it further with my finger, I can hear a tiny click,
> > leading me to believe that there is a contact point not being
> > triggered. No amount of pressure on the soft top with make it move
> > that switch any further; it feels as if the soft top has gone as far as
> > it can go and the switch has another half inch to go. It may be that
> > when the hard cover locks down the switch goes the further distance, I
> > don't know.
> >
> > Also, however, the locks which hold down *either* top in the rear are
> > not grabbing and holding the hooks on either side. So, I cannot
> > manually lock the soft top down. I now remember that locking down the
> > hard top was also problematic the two or three times I've done it.
> > What could make the locks not catch? The locking tool works fine and
> > the front locks down fine, but the locks are just not grabbing hold in
> > the back.
> >
> > Thanks for walking me through this...
> >
> > Paul
> > '90 500 SL
> >
> > On Jun 6, 2006, at 11:32 AM, mooncusser wrote:
> >
> >> Don't need the switch. Just have to give a tug on the top to line it
> >> up with the switch as it goes down.
> >> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:14:52 -0400, you wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> part number for this switch : 1298206110
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> used on ebay ... don't buy used !! :-)
> >>>
> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Mercedes-R129-SL-Schalter-Steller
> >>> -1298206110_W0QQitemZ8037152809QQcategoryZ65060QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewIt
> >>> e
> >>> m
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> mooncusser
> >>> <moon.cusser at veri
> >>> zon.net>
> >>> To
> >>> Sent by: SL Mailing List
> >>> r129list-bounces@ <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
> >>> mbcoupes.com
> >>> cc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Subject
> >>> 06/06/2006 02:06 Re: [R129 SL] soft top not
> >>> raising
> >>> PM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please respond to
> >>> SL Mailing List
> >>> <r129list at mbcoupe
> >>> s.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On my 92 300sl there is a switch that the top frame comes in contact
> >>> with behind the drivers seat and if it does not connect going down it
> >>> will not go up. Look just inside the left or right side and see if
> >>> the
> >>> top is resting on the switch (mine is blue) like it should to
> >>> operate.
> >>> Just a suggestion from someone who has been there at one time.
> >>> Later...
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:22:40 -0700, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> '90 500 SL:
> >>>>
> >>>> So far, good news and bad news (maybe.) Good news is it's not the
> >>>> switch. That's good b/c at least I don't have to tear the console
> >>>> apart to install the switch only to discover it's not the fix. The
> >>>> bad
> >>>> news is that the switch was pretty darn cheap, and the actual fix
> >>>> may
> >>>> not be!
> >>>>
> >>>> So far, with the parking brake engaged and the key in Position Two
> >>>> (whether engine idling or off), the windows automatically roll down
> >>>> all
> >>>> the way and the soft top cover pops open to what looks like 90
> >>>> degrees,
> >>>> which looks like full open. The top doesn't move, though.
> >>>>
> >>>> It doesn't seem to be obstructed b/c two people can easily pull it
> >>>> out
> >>>> fully. (I am not able to pull it out fully by myself as it's too
> >>>> heavy
> >>>> and the leverage is insufficient from just one side.)
> >>>>
> >>>> I haven't replaced any fuses or switches, but it now doesn't seem
> >>>> electrical in nature. Should I try that anyway? There are fuses in
> >>>> the trunk; they all look good, but are they the most likely
> >>>> suspects?
> >>>>
> >>>> Are there any "lift assistors" (e.g., springs, shocks) that are DIY
> >>>> replaceable/adjustable? I am aware from the p.o. that the top has
> >>>> not
> >>>> been raised for years.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for all suggestions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:51:47 +0200
>From: George - R129 <george.simpson.r129 at tiscali.fr>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] R129 Cosole Trim
>To: SL Mailing List <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <44872043.8000804 at tiscali.fr>
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>Look at:
>
>http://www.classic-roadster.de/modules/gallery/Filme-r129-demontage
>
>and click on the Mittelkonsole. It will take a moment or two to load but
>shows you how to get the centre console and other parts dismantled.
>
>George
>Cognac
>
>seitle wrote:
> > The top control switch on my 96 SL is low in the console and the fiber
> > optic illumination of the shift lever position is out of alignment. I
> > would like to fix this, but I do not know how to remove/replace the
> > console trim - I mean the wood covered section. I know how to do that
> > on my 300E, but I have no tech literature for the SL. Can anyone help
>me?
> >
> > Rolf Seitle
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:54:52 -0700
>From: Paul Samarin <pauls at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] R129 Cosole Trim
>To: SL Mailing List <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
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>That video is fantastic! Thanks a million. I gotta take my radio
>out; I had no idea it was so easy. I haven't seen that radio removal
>tool in my kit, though. Anyone know where to get one?
>
>Meanwhile, a friend warned me about being careful while removing the
>wood piece. As you can see, it is bent or molded in the two places
>on each side and is pretty thin at those locations. It is apparently
>pretty easy to crack it there if not very careful...and, I'm sure
>it's an expensive piece to replace. So, take your time and coax it
>out slowly, more slowly than is shown in the video.
>
>Paul
>
>On Jun 7, 2006, at 11:51 AM, George - R129 wrote:
>
> > Look at:
> >
> > http://www.classic-roadster.de/modules/gallery/Filme-r129-demontage
> >
> > and click on the Mittelkonsole. It will take a moment or two to
> > load but shows you how to get the centre console and other parts
> > dismantled.
> >
> > George
> > Cognac
> >
> > seitle wrote:
> >> The top control switch on my 96 SL is low in the console and the
> >> fiber optic illumination of the shift lever position is out of
> >> alignment. I would like to fix this, but I do not know how to
> >> remove/replace the console trim - I mean the wood covered section.
> >> I know how to do that on my 300E, but I have no tech literature
> >> for the SL. Can anyone help me?
> >>
> >> Rolf Seitle
> >> The MB Coupes Website!
> >> R129 SL Mailing List
> > The MB Coupes Website!
> > R129 SL Mailing List
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>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:10:18 -0700
>From: <gregorio at weststargroup.net>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] R129 Cosole Trim
>To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <001201c68a7f$29966680$0a00a8c0 at GROUCHO>
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>Consoles are $1350 brand new here in California. I know because I was going
>to either replace mine or have it re-finished. Had it re-finished at
>Madera Concepts in Santa Barbara, CA, for $300. Looks better than new!
>
>Great Videos! Thanks to the group for these.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Greg Conte
>1991 500SL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Samarin
> To: SL Mailing List
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [R129 SL] R129 Cosole Trim
>
>
> That video is fantastic! Thanks a million. I gotta take my radio out;
>I had no idea it was so easy. I haven't seen that radio removal tool in my
>kit, though. Anyone know where to get one?
>
>
> Meanwhile, a friend warned me about being careful while removing the
>wood piece. As you can see, it is bent or molded in the two places on each
>side and is pretty thin at those locations. It is apparently pretty easy
>to crack it there if not very careful...and, I'm sure it's an expensive
>piece to replace. So, take your time and coax it out slowly, more slowly
>than is shown in the video.
>
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2006, at 11:51 AM, George - R129 wrote:
>
>
> Look at:
>
> http://www.classic-roadster.de/modules/gallery/Filme-r129-demontage
>
> and click on the Mittelkonsole. It will take a moment or two to load
>but shows you how to get the centre console and other parts dismantled.
>
> George
> Cognac
>
> seitle wrote:
> The top control switch on my 96 SL is low in the console and the
>fiber optic illumination of the shift lever position is out of alignment. I
>would like to fix this, but I do not know how to remove/replace the console
>trim - I mean the wood covered section. I know how to do that on my 300E,
>but I have no tech literature for the SL. Can anyone help me?
>
> Rolf Seitle
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>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 00:49:51 -0400
>From: "Bob Terry" <bobterry99 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [R129 SL] SL top problems
>To: <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <BAY111-DAV121C6C5693BF9BEF2B59F0C88B0 at phx.gbl>
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>Anyone who is interested in reading diagnostic codes for their '90 to '93
>SL using nothing more than a paperclip should feel free to email me for
>instructions.
>
>Regarding choice of years/models, the '92-'95 cars have wiring harness
>problems. The earlier cars are an outstanding value, but if this is not so
>important, by all means get a '99 or later...The M113 may be technically
>less sophisticated than the M119 it replaced, but it delivers the
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>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:42:56 -0700
>From: "jeff osborne" <ozmt at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] SL top problems
>To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV476DBA56F5F234D52D7FCC98B0 at phx.gbl>
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>Sir,
>I have a 90 300sl and would love to know how to read the codes with a
>paperclip.
>Thanks
>jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Terry<mailto:bobterry99 at hotmail.com>
> To: r129list at mbcoupes.com<mailto:r129list at mbcoupes.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:49 PM
> Subject: [R129 SL] SL top problems
>
>
> Anyone who is interested in reading diagnostic codes for their '90 to
>'93 SL using nothing more than a paperclip should feel free to email me for
>instructions.
>
> Regarding choice of years/models, the '92-'95 cars have wiring harness
>problems. The earlier cars are an outstanding value, but if this is not so
>important, by all means get a '99 or later...The M113 may be technically
>less sophisticated than the M119 it replaced, but it delivers the
>performance.
> The MB Coupes Website!
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>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:09:36 +0200 (CEST)
>From: Frank GLASCOTT <frank.glascott at wanadoo.fr>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] SL top problems
>To: SL Mailing List <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <11121415.1149750576861.JavaMail.www at wwinf1517>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>Hi Bob. anything you can tell me about reading the codes on my ' 92 300SL24
>would be most appreciated. Cheers
>
>
>
>
> > Message du 08/06/06 06:48
> > De : "Bob Terry"
> > A : r129list at mbcoupes.com
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : [R129 SL] SL top problems
> >
> >
>Anyone who is interested in reading diagnostic codes for their '90 to '93
>SL using nothing more than a paperclip should feel free to email me for
>instructions.
>
>Regarding choice of years/models, the '92-'95 cars have wiring harness
>problems. The earlier cars are an outstanding value, but if this is not so
>important, by all means get a '99 or later...The M113 may be technically
>less sophisticated than the M119 it replaced, but it delivers the
>performance.
> >
> > [ (pas de nom de fichier) (0.0 Ko) ]
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>Message: 10
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:34:09 +0200 (CEST)
>From: Frank GLASCOTT <frank.glascott at wanadoo.fr>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] R129 Cosole Trim
>To: SL Mailing List <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <32568256.1149752049908.JavaMail.www at wwinf1504>
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>The video is brilliant. is it available to buy? And anyone else in the SW
>france area interested in getting together occasionally? Ruffec (16)
>
>
>
>
>
> > Message du 07/06/06 20:52
> > De : "George - R129"
> > A : "SL Mailing List"
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: [R129 SL] R129 Cosole Trim
> >
> > Look at:
> >
> > http://www.classic-roadster.de/modules/gallery/Filme-r129-demontage
> >
> > and click on the Mittelkonsole. It will take a moment or two to load but
>shows you how to get the centre console and other parts dismantled.
> >
> > George
> > Cognac
> >
> > seitle wrote:
>The top control switch on my 96 SL is low in the console and the fiber
>optic illumination of the shift lever position is out of alignment. I would
>like to fix this, but I do not know how to remove/replace the console trim
>- I mean the wood covered section. I know how to do that on my 300E, but I
>have no tech literature for the SL. Can anyone help me?
>
>Rolf Seitle
>
>The MB Coupes Website!
>R129 SL Mailing List
> >
> > [ (pas de nom de fichier) (0.0 Ko) ]
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>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:53:16 +0100
>From: "David Elliott" <david.elliott at macalister-elliott.com>
>Subject: RE: [R129 SL] R129 Cosole Trim
>To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID:
> <84F7ADA613B34B459545EAEF7E4C751F0D16F3 at server.MacAlisterElliottandPartners.local>
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>Why can't I open this video??
>David
>
> _____
>
>From: r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com [mailto:r129list-bounces at mbcoupes.com]
>On Behalf Of George - R129
>Sent: 07 June 2006 19:52
>To: SL Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] R129 Cosole Trim
>
>
>Look at:
>
>HYPERLINK
>"http://www.classic-roadster.de/modules/gallery/Filme-r129-demontage"http://www.classic-roadster.de/modules/gallery/Filme-r129-demontage
>
>and click on the Mittelkonsole. It will take a moment or two to load but
>shows you how to get the centre console and other parts dismantled.
>
>George
>Cognac
>
>seitle wrote:
>
>The top control switch on my 96 SL is low in the console and the fiber
>optic illumination of the shift lever position is out of alignment. I would
>like to fix this, but I do not know how to remove/replace the console trim
>- I mean the wood covered section. I know how to do that on my 300E, but I
>have no tech literature for the SL. Can anyone help me?
>
>Rolf Seitle
>
>
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