[Jacob-list] predator question

[marguerite van beek]

Linda

That was my thought exactly!!!  But then again State of NJ denies there are
any mountain lions.  We have alot of people from the inner cities come out
here to go camping, hiking, etc and they are all concerned about the bears.
 I tell them no I am afraid of the mountain lions and I don't go into the
woods without a weapon anymore.  Concerning the coyotes we do have a young
man on the other side of our mountain that has been hunting coyotes killed
16 in two months so far this yr.  He asked my daughter if he can hunt on
our side since he has tracked them over here, alright with me.  He has had
problem of coyotes attacking the calves.

Peg


On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Carl Fosbrink
<fourhornfarm at frontier.com>wrote:


> **

> *Linda,*

> **

> *    We have had some reports of badgers here now and I would not be

> surprised if the DNR didn't turn those loose. Of course they always deny

> doing so, but no one would keep one as a pet and turn it loose and there

> aren't any close so they wouldn't migrate in here. I live just two miles

> from a wildlife refuge and a badger was run over on the highway next to it.

> *

> *    I love wildlife, but this county is too populated for some of these

> critters and they were eliminated in the past because they were a problem.

> DNR doesn't seem smart enough to understand that they are re-introducing

> problems for people with livestock. Of course farmers are only 1% of the

> population now so they probably just don't care.*

> **

> *Carl*

>

>  *From:* Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>

> *Sent:* Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:24 PM

> *To:* marguerite van beek <mvanbeek7 at gmail.com>

> *Cc:* Carl Fosbrink <fourhornfarm at frontier.com> ;

> jacob-list at jacobsheep.com ; Neal Grose <nlgrose at yadtel.net> ; Karen

> Askounis <kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com>

> *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

>

> Kinda scary to think what they are going to bring in to kill the mountain

> lions!

> Linda

> On 9/29/2012 5:04 PM, marguerite van beek wrote:

>

> Carl

>

> Yes that is what they did here in NJ they got some coyotes from AZ to help

> curb the deer population.  Now they are out of control, breeding with dogs

> and very hard to kill.  So I heard from a State employee they released

> mountain lions to kill the coyotes.  NJ playing mother nature at its best.

>

> Peg

>

> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Carl Fosbrink <fourhornfarm at frontier.com>wrote:

>

>>  It is not unusual for the department of fish and game to deny that

>> certain animals exist. It is because they are the ones that turned them

>> loose. Here in Southern Indiana they were the ones that turned the first

>> coyotes loose and now they are everywhere. We also have reports of mountain

>> lions seen eating on road kill deer. I have a 4 ft. fence with electric

>> over the top and around the bottom and I thought that would keep dogs and

>> coyotes out until I saw a coyote that had gotten into the sheep clear it

>> all with one easy jump. Luckily he didn't kill any sheep. We also have

>> Bobcats, but they would not be a threat on adult sheep.

>>

>>  *From:* Neal Grose <nlgrose at yadtel.net>

>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 4:55 PM

>> *To:* marguerite van beek <mvanbeek7 at gmail.com> ; Richard and Susan<stcroft at ptd.net>

>>  *Cc:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com ; Karen Askounis<kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com>

>> *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

>>

>>  Well, I and several other people here in our  foothills NC community

>> have indeed seen a Mountain lion, but he seemed to be moving through to

>> somewhere else. The wildlife agent confirmed the description and said that

>> they think many of these are released “pets” (which, by the way, are not

>> illegal to keep since they are no longer considered “native wildlife”, and

>> if your county does not specifically prohibit keeping of exotic animals.)

>> Small ears, tail as long as the rest of the body, and a “loose jointed”

>> gait on the front shoulders, they are hard to confuse with a dog or small

>> bear. Plus I found footprints.

>> Neal Grose

>>

>>  *From:* marguerite van beek <mvanbeek7 at gmail.com>

>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 3:02 PM

>> *To:* Richard and Susan <stcroft at ptd.net>

>> *Cc:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com ; Karen Askounis<kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com>

>> *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

>>

>> Susan

>>

>> They say the same thing about Mountain Lions over here in NJ.  They don't

>> exist, yet they have many reported sightings throughout NJ. Our vet several

>> yrs ago and a few miles from our farm went out on a emergency call for a

>> reported attack on two horses.  The State kept stating it was a bear

>> attack, the vet who was from S. Dakota said you are sadly mistaken this was

>> done by a mountain Lion (horses had claw marks down their hind end) then

>> they said that he had to keep quiet about this and they did ended up

>> catching a breeding pair.  But they still say they don't exist.  You can't

>> protect your sheep from a mountain lion almost impossible.

>>

>> Peggy

>>

>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Richard and Susan <stcroft at ptd.net>wrote:

>>

>>>  Here in southeastern Pennsylvania an occasional coyote attack on sheep

>>> will occur.  A few yrs. ago a farmer lost several adult ewes to a group of

>>> coyotes at a location not far from us – and we have heard coyotes calling

>>> at night but have never lost any sheep.  Interestingly, here throughout the

>>> state there are many reported sightings of mountain lions but the

>>> Pennsylvania Game Commission is adamant that they don’t exist.  We have

>>> never seen one or had a problem – however, a farmer only a few miles from

>>> us occasionally sees a mountain lion drinking from his pond.  Upstate the

>>> mountain folks who know the woods like the “backs of their hands” are

>>> equally adamant that they repeatedly see mountain lions – which really are

>>> not easy to confuse with other wild feline types in our State – our bobcats

>>> are quite a bit smaller with no tail, etc.  All that to say that any

>>> shepherd or farmer who complains to our state’s Game Commission of a

>>> mountain lion killing will not receive a lot of support – since they don’t

>>> exist!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> A few years ago we had an adult ewe killed by a neighbor’s Siberian

>>> Husky – the dog was not aggressive to humans but sheep brought out his

>>> primal instincts – and in that situation the dog was interested only in the

>>> chase and the kill – he did not tear open the carcass or eat anything

>>> whatsoever.  He also wounded a ewe lamb so severely she had to be

>>> euthanized.  Our local police advised us that our State laws permit us to

>>> shoot on sight any animal that is killing out livestock.  This particular

>>> dog was a family pet, very sweet to humans and a nice dog – but the State

>>> Dog Catcher required that they relinquish ownership and the husky was put

>>> into a husky rescue – and hopefully he ended up living somewhere far from

>>> sheep!!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Sue Martin

>>>

>>> Stonecroft

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> *From:* jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com [mailto:

>>> jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com] *On Behalf Of *Karen Askounis

>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:41 PM

>>> *To:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

>>> *Subject:* [Jacob-list] predator question

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> For those of you who have lost sheep to coyotes is it common to have

>>> almost nothing remaining after the attack? I have lost two ram lambs (one

>>> at a time) – the first one simply was gone without a trace! No blood, no

>>> wool, no wool or hair over or under fences – nothing. The second one – as

>>> is usually the case – my most favorite sheep of all time L – found one

>>> piece of hide, some bits of wool, his tail, no blood anywhere in pasture,

>>> again no wool or hair on any exterior fences. These were ram lambs about 6

>>> months old. They were in with a donkey. Not sure if I should be mad at the

>>> donkey or happy he kept losses to one lamb each time. This pasture had a

>>> hot wire across the top but no lower predator hot wire (until last weekend,

>>> after the fact of course). There were a few spots where the ground had

>>> washed away a bit under the fence leaving some space under the fence where

>>> I figure they got in. Does this sound like a pack of coyotes or should I be

>>> looking for something else? We are in north eastern Illinois. Not sure what

>>> other predators to be thinking of.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On a slightly different subject – does anyone think sheep with un-docked

>>> tails are easier for predators to catch??

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Karen Askounis

>>>

>>> Three Fates Farm

>>>

>>> Crete, IL

>>>

>>> kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com

>>>

>>>

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