[Jacob-list] predator question

[Linda]

Kinda scary to think what they are going to bring in to kill the 
mountain lions!
Linda
On 9/29/2012 5:04 PM, marguerite van beek wrote:

> Carl

>

> Yes that is what they did here in NJ they got some coyotes from AZ to 

> help curb the deer population.  Now they are out of control, breeding 

> with dogs and very hard to kill.  So I heard from a State employee 

> they released mountain lions to kill the coyotes.  NJ playing mother 

> nature at its best.

>

> Peg

>

> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Carl Fosbrink 

> <fourhornfarm at frontier.com <mailto:fourhornfarm at frontier.com>> wrote:

>

>     It is not unusual for the department of fish and game to deny that

>     certain animals exist. It is because they are the ones that turned

>     them loose. Here in Southern Indiana they were the ones that

>     turned the first coyotes loose and now they are everywhere. We

>     also have reports of mountain lions seen eating on road kill deer.

>     I have a 4 ft. fence with electric over the top and around the

>     bottom and I thought that would keep dogs and coyotes out until I

>     saw a coyote that had gotten into the sheep clear it all with one

>     easy jump. Luckily he didn't kill any sheep. We also have Bobcats,

>     but they would not be a threat on adult sheep.

>

>     *From:* Neal Grose <mailto:nlgrose at yadtel.net>

>     *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 4:55 PM

>     *To:* marguerite van beek <mailto:mvanbeek7 at gmail.com> ; Richard

>     and Susan <mailto:stcroft at ptd.net>

>     *Cc:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com <mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>     ; Karen Askounis <mailto:kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com>

>     *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

>

>     Well, I and several other people here in our  foothills NC

>     community have indeed seen a Mountain lion, but he seemed to be

>     moving through to somewhere else. The wildlife agent confirmed the

>     description and said that they think many of these are released

>     "pets" (which, by the way, are not illegal to keep since they are

>     no longer considered "native wildlife", and if your county does

>     not specifically prohibit keeping of exotic animals.)

>     Small ears, tail as long as the rest of the body, and a "loose

>     jointed" gait on the front shoulders, they are hard to confuse

>     with a dog or small bear. Plus I found footprints.

>     Neal Grose

>     *From:* marguerite van beek <mailto:mvanbeek7 at gmail.com>

>     *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 3:02 PM

>     *To:* Richard and Susan <mailto:stcroft at ptd.net>

>     *Cc:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com <mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>     ; Karen Askounis <mailto:kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com>

>     *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

>     Susan

>     They say the same thing about Mountain Lions over here in NJ. 

>     They don't exist, yet they have many reported sightings throughout

>     NJ. Our vet several yrs ago and a few miles from our farm went out

>     on a emergency call for a reported attack on two horses.  The

>     State kept stating it was a bear attack, the vet who was from S.

>     Dakota said you are sadly mistaken this was done by a mountain

>     Lion (horses had claw marks down their hind end) then they said

>     that he had to keep quiet about this and they did ended up

>     catching a breeding pair.  But they still say they don't exist. 

>     You can't protect your sheep from a mountain lion almost impossible.

>     Peggy

>

>     On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Richard and Susan

>     <stcroft at ptd.net <mailto:stcroft at ptd.net>> wrote:

>

>         Here in southeastern Pennsylvania an occasional coyote attack

>         on sheep will occur.  A few yrs. ago a farmer lost several

>         adult ewes to a group of coyotes at a location not far from us

>         -- and we have heard coyotes calling at night but have never

>         lost any sheep. Interestingly, here throughout the state there

>         are many reported sightings of mountain lions but the

>         Pennsylvania Game Commission is adamant that they don't exist.

>         We have never seen one or had a problem -- however, a farmer

>         only a few miles from us occasionally sees a mountain lion

>         drinking from his pond.  Upstate the mountain folks who know

>         the woods like the "backs of their hands" are equally adamant

>         that they repeatedly see mountain lions -- which really are

>         not easy to confuse with other wild feline types in our State

>         -- our bobcats are quite a bit smaller with no tail, etc.  All

>         that to say that any shepherd or farmer who complains to our

>         state's Game Commission of a mountain lion killing will not

>         receive a lot of support -- since they don't exist!

>

>         A few years ago we had an adult ewe killed by a neighbor's

>         Siberian Husky -- the dog was not aggressive to humans but

>         sheep brought out his primal instincts -- and in that

>         situation the dog was interested only in the chase and the

>         kill -- he did not tear open the carcass or eat anything

>         whatsoever.  He also wounded a ewe lamb so severely she had to

>         be euthanized.  Our local police advised us that our State

>         laws permit us to shoot on sight any animal that is killing

>         out livestock.  This particular dog was a family pet, very

>         sweet to humans and a nice dog -- but the State Dog Catcher

>         required that they relinquish ownership and the husky was put

>         into a husky rescue -- and hopefully he ended up living

>         somewhere far from sheep!!

>

>         Sue Martin

>

>         Stonecroft

>

>         *From:*jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com

>         <mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com>

>         [mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com

>         <mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com>] *On Behalf Of

>         *Karen Askounis

>         *Sent:* Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:41 PM

>         *To:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com <mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>         *Subject:* [Jacob-list] predator question

>

>         For those of you who have lost sheep to coyotes is it common

>         to have almost nothing remaining after the attack? I have lost

>         two ram lambs (one at a time) -- the first one simply was gone

>         without a trace! No blood, no wool, no wool or hair over or

>         under fences -- nothing. The second one -- as is usually the

>         case -- my most favorite sheep of all time L -- found one

>         piece of hide, some bits of wool, his tail, no blood anywhere

>         in pasture, again no wool or hair on any exterior fences.

>         These were ram lambs about 6 months old. They were in with a

>         donkey. Not sure if I should be mad at the donkey or happy he

>         kept losses to one lamb each time. This pasture had a hot wire

>         across the top but no lower predator hot wire (until last

>         weekend, after the fact of course). There were a few spots

>         where the ground had washed away a bit under the fence leaving

>         some space under the fence where I figure they got in. Does

>         this sound like a pack of coyotes or should I be looking for

>         something else? We are in north eastern Illinois. Not sure

>         what other predators to be thinking of.

>

>         On a slightly different subject -- does anyone think sheep

>         with un-docked tails are easier for predators to catch??

>

>         Karen Askounis

>

>         Three Fates Farm

>

>         Crete, IL

>

>         kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com

>         <mailto:kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com>

>

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