[Jacob-list] predator question

[Sara Dunham]

In Kentucky, if they drag them off, that's a sign of coyotes rather than
dogs killing for sport.  Our guardian dog - who we really had no idea how
much we would appreciate/like/not be bothered by the barking...and would
now never be without - has been working hard lately keeping the boundaries
established.  It's one of those times of the year.  Interesting question
about the tails, but if I had to guess, I don't think docked tails are any
help.  If something's going to grab one, they're going to grab them :-/.
I'm sorry you've had losses.  It's an awful feeling.

Sara

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Sara Dunham
Punkin's Patch
Cynthiana, Kentucky
www.myfavoritesheep.com
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> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:40:51 -0500

> From: "Karen Askounis" <kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com>

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> For those of you who have lost sheep to coyotes is it common to have almost

> nothing remaining after the attack? I have lost two ram lambs (one at a

> time) - the first one simply was gone without a trace! No blood, no wool,

> no

> wool or hair over or under fences - nothing. The second one - as is usually

> the case - my most favorite sheep of all time L - found one piece of hide,

> some bits of wool, his tail, no blood anywhere in pasture, again no wool or

> hair on any exterior fences. These were ram lambs about 6 months old. They

> were in with a donkey. Not sure if I should be mad at the donkey or happy

> he

> kept losses to one lamb each time. This pasture had a hot wire across the

> top but no lower predator hot wire (until last weekend, after the fact of

> course). There were a few spots where the ground had washed away a bit

> under

> the fence leaving some space under the fence where I figure they got in.

> Does this sound like a pack of coyotes or should I be looking for something

> else? We are in north eastern Illinois. Not sure what other predators to be

> thinking of.

>

>

>

> On a slightly different subject - does anyone think sheep with un-docked

> tails are easier for predators to catch??

>

>

>

> Karen Askounis

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> Three Fates Farm

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> Crete, IL

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> kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com

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> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:03:40 -0600

> From: Jennifer Tucker <gotothewhip at aol.com>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

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> If you we're here in Colorado, I would be looking for a burying spot and

> suspect a mountain lion.  They typically drag off their kills whole and

> come back at another time. They often prey on domestic animals to teach

> their young to hunt

>

> Jennifer Tucker

> Moose Mtn Ranch

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> Sent from my iPhone

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> On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:40 PM, "Karen Askounis" <

> kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com> wrote:

>

> > For those of you who have lost sheep to coyotes is it common to have

> almost nothing remaining after the attack? I have lost two ram lambs (one

> at a time) ? the first one simply was gone without a trace! No blood, no

> wool, no wool or hair over or under fences ? nothing. The second one ? as

> is usually the case ? my most favorite sheep of all time L ? found one

> piece of hide, some bits of wool, his tail, no blood anywhere in pasture,

> again no wool or hair on any exterior fences. These were ram lambs about 6

> months old. They were in with a donkey. Not sure if I should be mad at the

> donkey or happy he kept losses to one lamb each time. This pasture had a

> hot wire across the top but no lower predator hot wire (until last weekend,

> after the fact of course). There were a few spots where the ground had

> washed away a bit under the fence leaving some space under the fence where

> I figure they got in. Does this sound like a pack of coyotes or should I be

> looking for something else? We a

>  re in north eastern Illinois. Not sure what other predators to be

> thinking of.

> >

> > On a slightly different subject ? does anyone think sheep with un-docked

> tails are easier for predators to catch??

> >

> > Karen Askounis

> > Three Fates Farm

> > Crete, IL

> > kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com

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> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:34:53 -0400

> From: "Neal Grose" <nlgrose at yadtel.net>

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> Here in the East, it is more typical to see nothing but a rumen left. it

> is not unusual for a coyote to take a lamb out of a flock and not disturb

> the rest of the flock.

> We are seeing an increase in pack mentality among coyotes. where they used

> to work singularly or in pairs and only take animals small enough to carry,

> they are now sometimes work in groups large enough to attack adult deer. I

> wonder if this is due to inclusion of dog in their genetics from when they

> first started moving into the area. I know that we originally saw coy-dogs

> which were very aggressive (and got shot for their trouble).

>

> Neal Grose

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> From: Jennifer Tucker

> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:03 AM

> To: Karen Askounis ; Jacoblist

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] predator question

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> If you we're here in Colorado, I would be looking for a burying spot and

> suspect a mountain lion.  They typically drag off their kills whole and

> come back at another time. They often prey on domestic animals to teach

> their young to hunt

>

> Jennifer Tucker

> Moose Mtn Ranch

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:40 PM, "Karen Askounis" <

> kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com> wrote:

>

>

>   For those of you who have lost sheep to coyotes is it common to have

> almost nothing remaining after the attack? I have lost two ram lambs (one

> at a time) ? the first one simply was gone without a trace! No blood, no

> wool, no wool or hair over or under fences ? nothing. The second one ? as

> is usually the case ? my most favorite sheep of all time L ? found one

> piece of hide, some bits of wool, his tail, no blood anywhere in pasture,

> again no wool or hair on any exterior fences. These were ram lambs about 6

> months old. They were in with a donkey. Not sure if I should be mad at the

> donkey or happy he kept losses to one lamb each time. This pasture had a

> hot wire across the top but no lower predator hot wire (until last weekend,

> after the fact of course). There were a few spots where the ground had

> washed away a bit under the fence leaving some space under the fence where

> I figure they got in. Does this sound like a pack of coyotes or should I be

> looking for something else? We a

>  re in north eastern Illinois. Not sure what other predators to be

> thinking of.

>

>

>

>   On a slightly different subject ? does anyone think sheep with un-docked

> tails are easier for predators to catch??

>

>

>

>   Karen Askounis

>

>   Three Fates Farm

>

>   Crete, IL

>

>   kaskounis at threefatesjacobs.com

>

>

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