[Jacob-list] When things go wrong... they can go very, very wrong......

[Linda]

So this lamb, who seems to be getting better, probably does not have 
wmd. Correct?

Linda

On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, spotted_sheep at bluefrog.com wrote:

> Realized I probably just sent that to Linda and should have hit "reply 

> all", sorry, habit....

>

> No, they would just get progressively worse and eventually die. Unless 

> they somehow got a selenium supplement somewhere else (highly unlikely 

> unless you gave it some orally....), even then it might not work fast 

> enough.

>

> Marie

> Spot Hollow Farm

>

> --- patchworkfibers at windstream.net wrote:

>

> From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>

> To: spotted_sheep at bluefrog.com

> CC: joy <jspidle1 at yahoo.com>, jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] When things go wrong... they can go very, 

> very wrong......

> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:47:53 -0400

>

> I have no experience with WMD so excuse a stupid question. Would a 

> lamb with WMD get stronger without a bose shot? I keep bose around, 

> but have never used it.

> I've had ewes that prefer not to nurse their lambs until all the lambs 

> are born (and some that wait until they have passed and sometimes 

> eaten the afterbirth). Maybe this ewe just didn't get the hormone rush 

> to entice her to nurse or was waiting for another lamb. Since she was 

> cleaning her lambs, she obviously had maternal instincts.

> It will get better.

> Linda.

>

> On 5/2/2012 8:14 AM, spotted_sheep at bluefrog.com 

> <mailto:spotted_sheep at bluefrog.com>wrote:

>

>     Your ewe lamb has white muscle disease most likely. Give her 1cc

>     of BOSE (vitamin E + selenium) and she should come around faster,

>     if not give her up to another 1cc, but not much more than that or

>     you'll OD her.

>

>     The ram probably starved/was hypothermic... That is a hard

>     decision even for seasoned shepherds...pull the lamb and bottle

>     feed it and maybe save it, but then have to raise it yourself and

>     leave the ewe all alone. Or leave the lamb with the ewe and hope

>     she'll come around and raise it, because lambs always do better

>     with mom. I've "learned" that lesson many times and every time I

>     think to myself "next time I'll just pull the lamb and be sure

>     it's ok..." and then it happens again...It is just so hard to pull

>     a lamb off it's mother.

>

>     Now the ewe is a harder case... Probably either a retained

>     placenta, or a retained third lamb (either long dead or recently

>     dead) both of which would cause the pushing, fever and eventually

>     death. BUT it could have been something else as well, there is no

>     telling for sure without a necropsy, even then you might not find

>     anything...

>

>     Was mom a first time mother? That might explain her not letting

>     her lambs nurse, sometimes first time mothers do alright cleaning

>     and birthing, but they dance around and around when lambs try to

>     nurse because they don't understand what they are doing back there

>     (or because they aren't done cleaning/checking lamb out). Or it

>     could have just been that she knew something was wrong with the

>     lambs and/or her.

>

>     I'm sorry you had such a rough start to lambing, it'll get better.

>

>     Marie

>     Spot Hollow Farm

>

>     --- jspidle1 at yahoo.com <mailto:jspidle1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>     From: joy <jspidle1 at yahoo.com> <mailto:jspidle1 at yahoo.com>

>     To: "jacob-list at jacobsheep.com" <mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>     <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> <mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>     Subject: [Jacob-list] When things go wrong... they can go very,

>     very wrong......

>     Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 04:09:06 -0700 (PDT)

>

>     I am a newbie at lambing so I want to use this as a learning

>     experience.

>     On Friday I returned home from work to a pair of newborn lambs (a

>     ram & a

>     ewe). The ewe was still a bit wet but cleaned off. Their mom

>     seemed very

>     attentive licking them and talking to them. I didn't want to

>     interfere so I

>     watched. The boy was up and about trying to nurse... the ewe still

>     hadn't

>     gotten to her feet ...... 2 hours had passed so I attempted to at

>     least get

>     her to nurse a little, mom was having none of it so I decided to

>     milk her

>     out enough to bottle feed the ewe lamb to at least get some

>     colostrums in

>     her. I gave her about 4 ozs and continued to watch the mom's

>     interactions

>     with the lambs. It became apparent she was not allowing the ram

>     lamb to

>     nurse despite his efforts.... so I milked her a little more and

>     made sure he

>     had some milk. At the 5 hr mark the ewe lamb still did not have

>     the strength

>     to get up, the weather was miserable (rain & chilly) The ewe lamb

>     was cold

>     so I decide to milk mom again and take the little girl in and put

>     her under

>     a heat lamp. She was eating well but still couldn't stand. A 03:00

>     I checked

>     on her again, she still was not able to stand.... the boy was

>     curled up with

>     his mom doing ok.

>     On Saturday when I checked the mom was still not allowing the boy

>     to nurse,

>     he would just about get latched on and then she would move..... so

>     frustrating. So I milked her and fed them both several times

>     throughout the

>     day I was hoping by leaving the boy with her she would get the

>     idea.... she

>     did not object to being milked just the babies nursing. I keep a

>     close eye

>     on them throughout the day the girl still unable to stand.... she was

>     getting stronger at least could make it to her knees just not to

>     stand, at

>     the 26 hr mark she finally made it to her feet. The boy was still

>     with his

>     mom but she still would not allow his to nurse. I fed him and kept

>     an eye on

>     him. The night was chilly and rainy again. I checked him around

>     22:00 and he

>     was chilled so I brought him in under the lamp too. At 03:00 when

>     I checked

>     him he had passed.

>     On Sunday the mom seemed a bit depressed / not her normal self.

>     She refused

>     to eat and just stared at the wall. Her temp was a bit elevated

>     but nothing

>     real bad (104) but I decided to give her a does o penicillin just

>     to be

>     safe. At around 18:00 I noticed the mom lying down in the stall

>     and she

>     appeared to be in labor again. She pushed very hard a few time

>     expelling

>     allot of poop and then started thrashing and let out a cry and

>     then .....she

>     stopped breathing her heart was beating and I checked her pupil

>     for reflex

>     .... (she jumped and scared the crap out of me) she still was not

>     breathing.... I checked her pupil again and they were fixed and

>     dilated with

>     no response ......... then her heart stopped.......... I'm in total

>     disbelief at this point...... What the ____________?????????

>     So, now the question I need answered from you all that have been

>     doing this

>     for a while is....... What could I / should I have done

>     differently???????

>     Help me understand please......................

>     Sorry the post was so long...

>     Thanks for any help you can give me.

>     joy

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