[Jacob-list] Follow up on mineral question

[Sara Dunham]

Old wether not doing any better.  Ran a fecal sample into vet this a.m. -
clean, but mucus indicating shedding white blood cells.  Add that to anemia
- super pale eyes and we decided to pull blood.  They came out this
afternoon and checked everything they could think of, but worried he was so
neuro acting by then that we decided not to stress him with pulling blood.
Very little rumen action, temp. of almost 106.  We ran fluids and gave him
banamine and LA300.  Both vets agreed that more likely his problem(s) were
geriatric based and not related to the other two sheep's issues, so I'm
relaxing about that a little.  Just a little.  Really appreciate the
responses.  Would like more discussion on differences between these sheep
and more "commercial" types.

Thank you!

Sara

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Sara Dunham
Punkin's Patch
Cynthiana, Kentucky
www.myfavoritesheep.com
http://myfavoritesheep.blogspot.com
www.myfavoritesheep.etsy.com



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> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:21:28 -0500

> From: Sara Dunham <thecrazysheeplady at myfavoritesheep.com>

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> I have a mixed flock of about 15 Jacobs, 15 "united nations" of sheep.  We

> are in a good growing area with plenty of grass.  I'm feeding a high

> quality sheep mineral that we are bringing down from a mill in Indiana,

> bermuda grass hay.  Everyone is pretty hog fat, so I only grain supplement

> my old (10+ years) Jacobs and one young Jacob ewe that has battled through

> three undiagnosable maladies which seem to be finally controlled by dosing

> with a vitamin drench (?).  So, I now have this odd young Jacob ewe, an

> older Jacob wether with what the vets think is a goiter, and this morning

> watched another old Jacob wether gulping down mouthfuls of dirt.  No odd

> symptoms from any other breeds of sheep.  What is going on here?  I've been

> told by an Icelandic breeder that the primitive breeds require different

> vitamin/mineral supplements - mainly copper.  Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Sara

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> Sara Dunham

> Punkin's Patch

> Cynthiana, Kentucky

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> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:31:35 -0800

> From: tim koenig <timkoenig5 at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] mineral question

> To: Sara Dunham <thecrazysheeplady at myfavoritesheep.com>

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> I've had three years of increasing lambing problems, culminating in

> 100% mortality last spring. Vets originally thought it was some virus,

> but the flock did not develop the expected immunity. This winter

> several of my rams became very unthrifty and either died or were

> finally put down. I did necropsy   on two and sent organ samples to

> the WSU vet school. Results showed sever goiter, along with resulting

> multiple organ failure from various infections.  Turns out that one of

> the results of goiter is severe damage to the immune system.

>

> The flock was put on Purina Sheep mineral, supplemented with  E.D.D.I.

> from VEDCO. After about a month and a half of supplementation, the

> remaining rams are nearly recovered and putting weight back on.

> Through all this no of my ewes showed any signs of the disease. On

> checking the Merk Vet. Manual, however, I

> found,(http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/182801.htm

> ),

> the paragraph on Iodine deficiency Perfectly describes what was

> happening to my lambs.

>

> Having never even heard of this problem in sheep, I did some more

> research on causes, and came  across some information of goiterogenic

> plants. Came up with one candidate, Flixweed, which I had never heard

> of.

>

> (http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10113/9257/1/IND43954300.pdf) and

> (http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=DESO2)

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> I believe this has started showing up in my pasture, this summer I'll

> be able to check for sure.

>

> I hope this will be of some help to you, and others.

>

> Tim

>

> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Sara Dunham

> <thecrazysheeplady at myfavoritesheep.com> wrote:

> > I have a mixed flock of about 15 Jacobs, 15 "united nations" of sheep.?

> We

> > are in a good growing area with plenty of grass.? I'm feeding a high

> quality

> > sheep mineral that we are bringing down from a mill in Indiana, bermuda

> > grass hay.? Everyone is pretty hog fat, so I only grain supplement my old

> > (10+ years) Jacobs and one young Jacob ewe that has battled through three

> > undiagnosable maladies which seem to be finally controlled by dosing

> with a

> > vitamin drench (?).? So, I now have this odd young Jacob ewe, an older

> Jacob

> > wether with what the vets think is a goiter, and this morning watched

> > another old Jacob wether gulping down mouthfuls of dirt.? No odd symptoms

> > from any other breeds of sheep.? What is going on here?? I've been told

> by

> > an Icelandic breeder that the primitive breeds require different

> > vitamin/mineral supplements - mainly copper.? Any thoughts?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Sara

> >

> > --

> > Sara Dunham

> > Punkin's Patch

> > Cynthiana, Kentucky

> > www.myfavoritesheep.com

> > http://myfavoritesheep.blogspot.com

> > www.myfavoritesheep.etsy.com

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> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:22:13 -0500

> From: Elizabeth Bell <hobbyknobfarm at gmail.com>

> Subject: [Jacob-list] mineral question

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> Sarah-your email refers to one of your sheep gulping down dirt-I have an

> older cotswold ewe that has done this twice this winter and I assumed she

> was eating too many dead oak or cherry leaves in the pasture or had gotten

> too much of something toxic. She is not bred, is actually on the hefty

> side. no other sheep have done this and she is in with the Jacobs also so I

> dont think it is related to the breed of sheep. I actually gave her doses

> of pepto bismal thinking it was something toxic. She got better but not

> sure if it was the pepto bismal or something else. She would also seem

> quite exhausted after this episode. The second episode seemed to end a

> little sooner. I was just assuming it was something toxic but none of the

> others were having this problem. So these emails make me think it is

> something else. But she recovers and physically doesn't change.

> Elizabeth

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