[Jacob-list] two horned sheep
Linda
patchworkfibers at windstream.net
Wed Sep 7 17:07:03 EDT 2011
I stand corrected. That is quite a percentage change over the history of
registered sheep.
Linda
On 9/7/2011 4:02 PM, Jacobflock at aol.com wrote:
> Dear Listers = The 2 horn / 4 horn question is as old as the
> documented Jacob history. When the shepherd Abel Eyre listed Earl
> Fitzwilliams wool clip in 1834, the "Spanish Sheep with 4 Horns" was
> listed as Jacob Sheep. The Fitzwilliam flock was out of Wentworth and
> in 1750 is listed as one of two documented 4 horn Jacob flocks, the
> second flock being Tabley Hall. One other 1750 Jacob flock was
> Fairtfax Lucy Charlecot, Warwickshire, and noted as a two horn. The
> documented history of "Jacob" flocks startes as a 2 out of 3 are four
> horn and 100 years later there are only two other two horn flocks;
> Henry Dryden (Canons Ashby) and Duke of Devonshire (Chatsworth)
> noted. The majority (about 16 of 20) of documented flocks by the
> 1880s are four horn. Elwes in "Guide to Primitive Breeds..." recaps
> the 2 horn vs 4 horn flock sources and is unable to cite the basis for
> the difference and sources. Hence, by the early 1900s there are both
> 2 and 4 horn flocks. By 1960 the Jacob Sheep Society, following their
> breed standard, has three out of four two horn Jacobs for breedshow
> winner types; four horn configurations giving rise to "balance" and
> growth problems..
> In the US in 1999, attention was directed to a decade (1989-1999) of
> breeding trends both phenotype issues and breed genetic diversity: Two
> horns had increased from 32% to 55%, and 4 horn had decreased from 68%
> to 45%. More to the breed sex population point, the ratio of 2H ewes
> and 2H rams followed the same trend (Journal of the JSC). The JSBA
> noted that the four horn population in the decade ending 1999 went
> from 77% to 61%; no data by sex but perhaps it was similar; and is now
> at 53%. Is the drop in 4 horn ratios as significant today as it was
> in 1999? Breed associations often monitor the health of a breed and
> perhaps a Jacob breed association, JSS as an example, can provide
> guidance on the issue.
> The Jacob is neither the only four horn breed nor only a four horn
> breed. Regards = Fred Horak
> In a message dated 9/6/2011 1:27:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> fourhornfarm at frontier.com writes:
>
> *I have been counting the number of 2H vs 4H Jacobs registered in
> the JSBA Flock Books for the last few years and the number of 2Hs
> registered has gradually increased each year to where about 42% of
> Jacobs registered are now 2Hs. Most of the 2Hs are from the West
> Coast as was mentioned by someone, but there are also more 2Hs
> being registered in other parts of the U.S. I believe the reason
> for the increase in 2Hs is that more people are breeding for
> fleeces as there primary focus and another thing is that it is
> easier to breed a 2H than a good 4H. A good balanced and strong
> set of 4Hs is hard to get. In Indiana it is difficult to sell 2H
> Jacobs. The JSBA does not discriminate against 2H Jacobs. Many
> people associate the 4Hs with the Jacob breed as it is one of the
> few breeds of sheep with four horn genes, but there are several
> breeds of sheep that have 2Hs. I have never heard the statement
> that only 4Hs are true Jacobs, but maybe what they meant was this
> fact about Jacobs being associated with 4Hs more than any other
> breed. *
> * I believe non JSBA members can purchase a guide book from
> Shannon at the business office.*
> * Missouri is one state where few people raise registered
> Jacobs. Mark can probably enlighten us on why this is. I always
> suspected it was because they have the exotic sales there that
> other states do not have and this gave them a market that most
> other states do not have.*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mark Essen <mailto:messen at socket.net>
> *To:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
> <mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 05, 2011 10:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] two horned sheep
>
>
> I do not understand "We have people saying that over half the
> sheep submitted and registered..." Can't this be quantified
> with real numbers?
> Anybody know how JSC is doing? Do they still maintain a registry?
> Of course, most Jacobs sheep are probably not known to the
> registry. I hazard to say that there is no way to count how
> many sheep or horns are not registered.
> Is there any plan to make this guide book public? I would
> love to see what all of the fuss is about.
> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Linda
>> <patchworkfibers at windstream.net
>> <mailto:patchworkfibers at windstream.net>> wrote:
>>
>> On one hand, we have people saying that over half the
>> sheep submitted and registered in JSBA are two horned. On
>> the other hand, we have people saying there is no demand
>> for two horned sheep and you can't sell them. Huh?
>> Linda.
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