[Jacob-list] two horned sheep

[Linda]

I stand corrected. That is quite a percentage change over the history of 
registered sheep.

Linda

On 9/7/2011 4:02 PM, Jacobflock at aol.com wrote:

> Dear Listers = The 2 horn / 4 horn question is as old as the 

> documented Jacob history.  When the shepherd Abel Eyre listed Earl 

> Fitzwilliams wool clip in 1834, the "Spanish Sheep with 4 Horns" was 

> listed as Jacob Sheep.  The Fitzwilliam flock was out of Wentworth and 

> in 1750 is listed as one of two documented 4 horn Jacob flocks, the 

> second flock being Tabley Hall.  One other 1750 Jacob flock was 

> Fairtfax Lucy Charlecot, Warwickshire, and noted as a two horn.  The 

> documented history of "Jacob" flocks startes as a 2 out of 3 are four 

> horn and 100 years later there are only two other two horn flocks; 

> Henry Dryden (Canons Ashby) and  Duke of Devonshire (Chatsworth) 

> noted.  The majority (about 16 of 20) of documented flocks by the 

> 1880s are four horn.  Elwes in "Guide to Primitive Breeds..." recaps 

> the 2 horn vs 4 horn flock sources and is unable to cite the basis for 

> the difference and sources.  Hence, by the early 1900s there are both 

> 2 and 4 horn flocks.  By 1960 the Jacob Sheep Society, following their 

> breed standard, has three out of four two horn Jacobs for breedshow 

> winner types; four horn configurations giving rise to "balance" and 

> growth problems..

> In the US in 1999, attention was directed to a decade (1989-1999) of 

> breeding trends both phenotype issues and breed genetic diversity: Two 

> horns had increased from 32% to 55%, and 4 horn had decreased from 68% 

> to 45%.  More to the breed sex population point, the ratio of 2H ewes 

> and 2H rams followed the same trend (Journal of the JSC).  The JSBA 

> noted that the four horn population in the decade ending 1999 went 

> from 77% to 61%; no data by sex but perhaps it was similar; and is now 

> at 53%.  Is the drop in 4 horn ratios as significant today as it was 

> in 1999?  Breed associations often monitor the health of a breed and 

> perhaps a Jacob breed association, JSS as an example, can provide 

> guidance on the issue.

> The Jacob is neither the only four horn breed nor only a four horn 

> breed.  Regards = Fred Horak

> In a message dated 9/6/2011 1:27:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 

> fourhornfarm at frontier.com writes:

>

>     *I have been counting the number of 2H vs 4H  Jacobs registered in

>     the JSBA Flock Books for the last few years and the number of 2Hs

>     registered has gradually increased each year to where about 42% of

>     Jacobs registered are now 2Hs. Most of the 2Hs are from the West

>     Coast as was mentioned by someone, but there are also more 2Hs

>     being registered in other parts of the U.S. I believe the reason

>     for the increase in 2Hs is that more people are breeding for

>     fleeces as there primary focus and another thing is that it is

>     easier to breed a 2H than a good 4H. A good balanced  and strong

>     set of 4Hs is hard to get.  In Indiana it is difficult to sell 2H

>     Jacobs. The JSBA does not discriminate against 2H Jacobs.  Many

>     people associate the 4Hs with the Jacob breed as it is one of the

>     few breeds of sheep with four horn genes, but there are several

>     breeds of sheep that have 2Hs. I have never heard the statement

>     that only 4Hs  are true Jacobs, but maybe what they meant was this

>     fact about Jacobs being associated with 4Hs more than any other

>     breed. *

>     *     I believe non JSBA members can purchase a guide book from

>     Shannon at the business office.*

>     *    Missouri is one state where few people raise registered

>     Jacobs. Mark can probably enlighten us on why this is. I always

>     suspected it was because they have the exotic sales there that

>     other states do not have and this gave them a market that most

>     other states do not have.*

>

>         ----- Original Message -----

>         *From:* Mark Essen <mailto:messen at socket.net>

>         *To:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

>         <mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>         *Sent:* Monday, September 05, 2011 10:53 PM

>         *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] two horned sheep

>

>

>         I do not understand "We have people saying that over half the

>         sheep submitted and registered..."  Can't this be quantified

>         with real numbers?

>         Anybody know how JSC is doing?  Do they still maintain a registry?

>         Of course, most Jacobs sheep are probably not known to the

>         registry.  I hazard to say that there is no way to count how

>         many sheep or horns are not registered.

>         Is there any plan to make this guide book public?  I would

>         love to see what all of the fuss is about.

>         Mark

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>>         On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Linda

>>         <patchworkfibers at windstream.net

>>         <mailto:patchworkfibers at windstream.net>> wrote:

>>

>>             On one hand, we have people saying that over half the

>>             sheep submitted and registered in JSBA are two horned. On

>>             the other hand, we have people saying there is no demand

>>             for two horned sheep and you can't sell them. Huh?

>>             Linda.

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