[Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 56, Issue 25

[Joan Gross]

I thought that the best explanation on genetic traits was at '08's AGM
presentation done my Gary Anderson.  For a newbie like me, it was highly
educational.  Does anyone have a video of that?

Joan Gross
www.mudranchjacobs.com



On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:57 PM, <jacob-list-request at jacobsheep.com> wrote:


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>   1. Registrations (Marguerite Van Beek)

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> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:36:49 -0400

> From: "Marguerite Van Beek" <pegvanbeek at msn.com>

> Subject: [Jacob-list] Registrations

> To: "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

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> Registrations.  I haven't had a questionable registration on a ewe in a

> long time.  I guess I was due. I have no problem providing the info the

> inspector has (pictures are questionable) to satisfy his question.  Let's

> assume and it is a example that she has wool forward of the horns.  My

> question to all of the Jacob breeders, how can you have a problem with a

> Jacob that could deny their entry into the JSBA Reg when all of her

> breedings are from Swallow Lane, Craft, Fairview, Brink May, Rockies,

> Unzicker, Joy Farm, Brighton etc. There are no FF 5 generations maybe more

> (I didn't go back that far).  If she is questionable (cross bred) then where

> did it come from.  Someone, somewhere is the guilty party.  Does this mean

> unless we find the culprit does all the rams and ewes on her pedigree

> questionable and their decendents.  Rightfully they should be.  Should we

> throw out the entire lineage?

>

> If it was the Jockey Club you betcha they would until the one that is

> guilty steps forward.  I understand that when you have FF then you might

> have problems like this.  Now, all of the above breeders don't go crazy my

> farm is on the pedigree too. Now remember this is an example please.   I

> just want to know where do you draw the line when it comes to acceptance.

>  How do you sell a lamb or ewe or ram that you have proof beyond a

> reasonable doubt that this Jacob is pure and then have some quirky thing

> like this come up.

>

> Peggy

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> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:09:58 -0400

> From: gotothewhip at aol.com

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Registrations

> To: pegvanbeek at msn.com, jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

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> Peggy, My first submitted application failed, and it too was lots of old

> blood.. i was crushed, but honestly am now understanding that the inspectors

> only will register animals who represent the breed correctly.? I think evey

> now and then, even with breeding the best to the best, you get a bad gene, I

> dont like how that sounds... an unusual gene combination.

>

> I wish that Quarter Horses or any number of other breeds went thru our

> inspection process.? Sure there are individuals that get failed that may

> have benefited the breed, but those animals are outnumbered by thiose who

> may not have helped conserve the breed.

>

> I dont know if this is accurate, but I was told that 50% of all Jacob Rams

> born (no necessarily just those that apply for registry) but of those born

> and alive.. 50% will not meet registration qualifications, as truly only

> exceptional rams should be registered and used for breeding.? And I find

> that about 75-90% of my ram lambs go to the freezer as they are not as nice

> as their daddy.?

>

> I dont think its a case of a breed impurity, just an undesirable trait.

>

> Jennifer Tucker

> Moose Mtn Ranch

> Bennett, CO

> www.MooseMtnRanch.com <http://www.moosemtnranch.com/>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Marguerite Van Beek <pegvanbeek at msn.com>

> To: jacob-list <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

> Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 2:36 pm

> Subject: [Jacob-list] Registrations

>

>

>

> Registrations.? I haven't had a questionable registration on a ewe in a

> long time.? I guess I was due. I have no problem providing the info the

> inspector has (pictures are questionable) to satisfy his question.? Let's

> assume and it?is a example that she has wool forward of the horns.? My

> question to all of the Jacob breeders, how can you have a problem with a

> Jacob that could deny their entry into the JSBA Reg?when all of her

> breedings are from Swallow Lane, Craft, Fairview, Brink May, Rockies,

> Unzicker, Joy Farm, Brighton etc. There are no FF?5 generations maybe more

> (I didn't go back that far).? If she is questionable (cross bred) then where

> did it come from.? Someone, somewhere is the guilty party.? Does this mean

> unless we find the culprit does all the rams and ewes on her pedigree

> questionable and their decendents.? Rightfully they should be.? Should we

> throw out the entire lineage??

>

> ?

>

> If it was the Jockey Club you betcha they would until the one that is

> guilty steps forward.? I understand that when you have FF then you might

> have problems like this.? Now, all of the above breeders don't go crazy my

> farm is on the pedigree too.?Now remember?this is an example please.? ?I

> just want to know where do you draw the line when it comes to acceptance.?

> How do you sell a lamb or ewe or ram that you have proof beyond a reasonable

> doubt that this Jacob is pure and then have some quirky thing like this come

> up.?

>

> ?

>

> Peggy

>

>

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> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:59:26 -0400

> From: "peggy" <pegvanbeek at msn.com>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Registrations

> To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>,        <gotothewhip at aol.com>

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> I agree that is why we have inspections.  I was just wondering how these

> little problems come to be.  It is just a email for imput nothing else.  I

> am more concerned about the flaws that suggest cross breeding.  I had a ewe

> a long time ago that had wool foward of the horns (4 horns) when I first

> started.  She was put in the appendix reg.  I was told at that time this

> fault is a suggestion of cross breeding.  Yet I had no FF parentage all reg

> parents.  I was just wondering if these problems are just gene faults not

> crossbreeding.

>

> Peggy

>  ----- Original Message -----

>  From: gotothewhip at aol.com

>  To: pegvanbeek at msn.com ; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:09 PM

>  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Registrations

>

>

>  Peggy, My first submitted application failed, and it too was lots of old

> blood.. i was crushed, but honestly am now understanding that the inspectors

> only will register animals who represent the breed correctly.  I think evey

> now and then, even with breeding the best to the best, you get a bad gene, I

> dont like how that sounds... an unusual gene combination.

>

>  I wish that Quarter Horses or any number of other breeds went thru our

> inspection process.  Sure there are individuals that get failed that may

> have benefited the breed, but those animals are outnumbered by thiose who

> may not have helped conserve the breed.

>

>  I dont know if this is accurate, but I was told that 50% of all Jacob Rams

> born (no necessarily just those that apply for registry) but of those born

> and alive.. 50% will not meet registration qualifications, as truly only

> exceptional rams should be registered and used for breeding.  And I find

> that about 75-90% of my ram lambs go to the freezer as they are not as nice

> as their daddy.

>

>  I dont think its a case of a breed impurity, just an undesirable trait.

>

>  Jennifer Tucker

>  Moose Mtn Ranch

>  Bennett, CO

>  www.MooseMtnRanch.com <http://www.moosemtnranch.com/>

>

>

>  -----Original Message-----

>  From: Marguerite Van Beek <pegvanbeek at msn.com>

>  To: jacob-list <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>  Sent: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 2:36 pm

>  Subject: [Jacob-list] Registrations

>

>

>  Registrations.  I haven't had a questionable registration on a ewe in a

> long time.  I guess I was due. I have no problem providing the info the

> inspector has (pictures are questionable) to satisfy his question.  Let's

> assume and it is a example that she has wool forward of the horns.  My

> question to all of the Jacob breeders, how can you have a problem with a

> Jacob that could deny their entry into the JSBA Reg when all of her

> breedings are from Swallow Lane, Craft, Fairview, Brink May, Rockies,

> Unzicker, Joy Farm, Brighton etc. There are no FF 5 generations maybe more

> (I didn't go back that far).  If she is questionable (cross bred) then where

> did it come from.  Someone, somewhere is the guilty party.  Does this mean

> unless we find the culprit does all the rams and ewes on her pedigree

> questionable and their decendents.  Rightfully they should be.  Should we

> throw out the entire lineage?

>

>  If it was the Jockey Club you betcha they would until the one that is

> guilty steps forward.  I understand that when you have FF then you might

> have problems like this.  Now, all of the above breeders don't go crazy my

> farm is on the pedigree too. Now remember this is an example please.   I

> just want to know where do you draw the line when it comes to acceptance.

>  How do you sell a lamb or ewe or ram that you have proof beyond a

> reasonable doubt that this Jacob is pure and then have some quirky thing

> like this come up.

>

>  Peggy

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