[Jacob-list] Flock dispersal

[Victoria da Roza]

HI All,
   Today Joan and Simon Gross from outside of Redding are coming to pick up my flock which I sold for virtually nothing....but...on the other hand  The Gross's are just getting into sheep and are young and healthy and I hope my breeding plan will bring them a great future. I have been crying for 2 days but sometimes life gives you no choice...it is difficult to have birthed them all and see them go but it is better than just going to auction.  I feel good that they will still be together and it is far enough away that I will not see them by chance.  I have enjoyed being part of the Jacob group and have learned a lot from all of you.  I appreciated all your patience and tolerance with my many questions getting started.  Special thanks to Robin Lynde and Gary Anderson.
  I am going off the list but if I can answer anything in the future, please write me directly.

Victoria
Castle Rock Farm
Jacob Sheep & Nigerian Dwarf Goats
www.castlerockfarm.net
Walnut Creek, Calif.

"Do not go where the path might lead
But go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"


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>    3. Re: Choking (JACI SIEHL)

>    4. corn gluten/ration (Linda)

>    5. Re: corn gluten/ration (Cathy Robinson)

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> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:24:52 -0400

> From: gotothewhip at aol.com

> Subject: [Jacob-list] Question on choking

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> I just got a call from a lady who bought some sheep from me

> this summer.? She is new to jacobs, but owns Baby Doll

> Southdowns, and takes amazing care of her animals.

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> The yearling ram I sold her was coughing up chewed up hay.?

> I went thru the normal choke questions.... She was feeding

> NO grain at all, and the hay he was fed, he was not real

> greedy about taking in, he nibbled at it.? No big changes in

> the feed either.? She had called both local vets, but

> neither was available.

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> This morning, he was hunched up, and foamy....and while

> explaining the situation to me he died.? Ive never had a

> sheep choke on hay before.. any insight?

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> Jennifer Tucker

> www.MoosMtnRanch.com

> Bennett, CO

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> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:27:59 -0400

> From: gotothewhip at aol.com

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Question on choking

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>  She had the vet out to necorpsy.. it was an obstruction of

> the esophagus The vet said the only way to clear it would

> have been to tube him immediately as it was hay that was

> causing the choke.? I have another ram for her now.... I

> know I don't NEED to replace him, but with them being

> new Jacob folks I want to keep this fun and them interested

> in the breed and not discouraged.. so they have first pick

> of my 09 ram lambs... She doesn't need a ram this year

> as all the ewes they bought from me were bred to diffrent

> rams (So she could breed both momma and any 09 ewe lambs to

> the ram she bought)? I still cant believe he choked on

> Hay.... that is truly a first I have heard of. Such a

> shame... the ram she had is still on the for sale page of my

> website.. a nice lilac 2 horn ram.... 

> 

> Jennifer

> www.MooseMtnRanch.com? 

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> From: Brenda <brenda at brenalanfarm.com>

> To: gotothewhip at aol.com

> Sent: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 1:50 pm

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Question on choking

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> Anyone considering a necropsy? If it was physical 

> choking or a problem severe enough to cause choking, it

> should take minimal time 

> and expense for a vet to figure it out. Or she could open

> him up and SEE if 

> anything jumps out at her. I have seen choking on feed

> before with foamy drool, 

> but it was always clearly eating too fast. The

> "hunched up" part makes me think 

> he might have been having some pain in the midsection if it

> wasn't just hunching 

> while coughing. Sorry she lost her ram. Shannon has a nice

> ram if she is looking 

> for replacements- one that was returned due to owner's

> illness, not because he 

> isn't a fine boy, and his price is less than he is

> worth.

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> Brenda

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> Subject: [Jacob-list] Question on 

>   choking

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> I just got a call 

>   from a lady who bought some sheep from me this summer.?

> She is new to 

>   jacobs, but owns Baby Doll Southdowns, and takes amazing

> care of her 

>   animals.

> 

> The yearling ram I sold her was coughing up chewed up 

>   hay.? I went thru the normal choke questions.... She was

> feeding NO grain 

>   at all, and the hay he was fed, he was not real greedy

> about taking in, he 

>   nibbled at it.? No big changes in the feed either.? She

> had called 

>   both local vets, but neither was available.

> 

> This morning, he was 

>   hunched up, and foamy....and while explaining the

> situation to me he 

>   died.? Ive never had a sheep choke on hay before.. any 

>   insight?

> 

> Jennifer Tucker

> www.MoosMtnRanch.com

> Bennett, 

>   CO

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> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:21:38 -0700 (PDT)

> From: JACI SIEHL <wedohoney at sbcglobal.net>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Choking

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> I have a friend with an older polypay ewe that was

> choking.? Hay would get caught around the tooth and get hung

> up in the esophagus causing choking and foaming.? My friend

> reached in and found a large clump of hay that appeared to

> be very old and putrid that was wrapped around?a loose?tooth

> and halfway down the throat.? This also caused some stomach

> issues.? The vet pulled the tooth and?soon everything was

> fine.

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> Jaci Siehl

> Sugarpine Jacobs

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> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:12:31 -0500

> From: Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net>

> Subject: [Jacob-list] corn gluten/ration

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> Does anyone have any experience/information with feeding

> corn gluten? Our local 

> hay supplier uses it for his cattle during the winter.

> It's 1/2 the price of 

> whole corn. 

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>  From what I've been able to garner from the web, it

> wouldn't be recommended as 

> the complete diet. Also the copper content can be variable.

> I didn't see the bag 

> it came in, so didn't get a chance to read the label. 

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> This year I'm going back to mixing my own feed ration.

> I did it for about 8 

> years, but went to premixes when I got more sheep. The

> sheep did very well on my 

> mix. I liked the Blue Seal sheep feed, but we just lost the

> Blue Seal dealer 

> that was 35 miles away in SC. The next closest is 65 miles

> in NC and the cost in 

> time and gas just doesn't make sense to me. 

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> My sheep mix consists of whole corn, whole oats, soybean

> meal, wheat bran, and 

> livestock molasses. I'd appreciate hearing from others

> that mix their own feeds 

> and what home made mixes have worked for you. 

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> Thank you,

> Linda

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> http://www.patchworkfibers.com 

> Registered Jacob Sheep, Handspun Yarn  

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> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:35:25 -0500

> From: Cathy Robinson <perfectspot at bellsouth.net>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] corn gluten/ration

> To: Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net>

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> I hope those who respond to Linda's question will reply

> to the list. 

> I was thinking about this same subject yesterday, in

> preparation for 

> winter feeding, wondering how we could simplify and

> economize here. 

> Good timing, Linda! 

> 

> Cathy

> Perfect Spot Farm

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> Linda wrote:

> > Does anyone have any experience/information with

> feeding corn gluten? 

> > Our local hay supplier uses it for his cattle during

> the winter. It's 

> > 1/2 the price of whole corn.

> >  

> > My sheep mix consists of whole corn, whole oats,

> soybean meal, wheat 

> > bran, and livestock molasses. I'd appreciate

> hearing from others that 

> > mix their own feeds and what home made mixes have

> worked for you.

> >  

> > Thank you,

> > Linda

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