[Jacob-list] hunting Jacobs

[Victoria da Roza]

I contacted ebay...they are not allowed by policy to
list live animals so they should not be on there. End
of that line.
   To think that a ram that is used to people and
confined on the property of a "hunt" club is the same
as going into the mts. and trying to get a big horn
sheep that is not used to people and lives in
unlimited space and has muscles to prove it and skills
to evade people are equal....well I do  not agree!
   I think if we do not like it we should contact ebay
and be sure who our animals are being sold to.  I also
think this is getting off track from the Jacob list
and we should move on.  Victoria
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> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:35:20 -0700 (PDT)

> From: JACI SIEHL <wedohoney at sbcglobal.net>

> Subject: [Jacob-list] Hunting Sheep

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> Ok - I don't mean to make enemies but I do have a

> couple observations and comments regarding these

> hunts.  I kept quiet on the last round of postings

> about the hunt clubs, but I can't keep quiet any

> longer.

>    

>   First I think it very interesting that many of the

> sheep appear to have been freshly sheared......odd,

> huh?

>    

>   Now for the part many of you won't like.  Many of

> the rams in the pictures have horns that would not

> allow them to be registered and something none of us

> trying to preserve the breed would want to use as a

> herd sire.  So, that being said, what would have

> become of the ram if not at the hunting club?  Into

> someone's freezer, with the pelt and maybe the head

> processed and sold to a customer. 

>    

>   I use to hunt and really enjoyed it - but I now

> prefer to eat meat that has been humanly slaughtered

> and not taken by hunting.  That is my choice.

>    

>   I know that many more wild animals would starve to

> death if some of the populations were not controlled

> by hunting, or the predators would become too

> numerous and dangerous to man.  I believe in our

> right to hunt - I don't want anyone to take that

> away from me or anyone else.....my heart breaks when

> I think of some animal I am close to like Jacob

> sheep being hunted - but I can't be a hypocrite and

> say it is ok to hunt bears, coyotes, or mountain

> lions because they are eating our sheep and not

> think that the same should hold true for other

> animals.  I don't believe in waste in taking any

> life - I don't' even kill mice - I catch and move

> them.

>    

>   We all get emotional because we are close to this

> breed - but are they so different from the big horn

> sheep in the wild?  Remember in some cultures they

> wouldn't eat a cow if their life depended on it and

> in others horse and dog are a part of their regular

> diet.

>    

>   Hunting is a right and if we don't agree with it

> all we can do is not hunt and not knowingly supply

> animals to to be hunted.  Hunting clubs are similar

> to fishing farm-raised fish - whether in a big lake

> or some pond at the farm, but how many get emotional

> over catching a trout?

>    

>   OK - I'm stepping off my soap box now - I just

> hope you remember that an opinion is not the same as

> a right and we must defend our rights.

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> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:36:02 -0500

> From: "Mark Essen" <messen at socket.net>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] ebay auction for hunting

> Jacobs

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> I wholeheartedly agree with you on all points except

> two.  I am a hunter and this is not the type of hunt

> that I desire nor understand.  I also agree that

> letting our feelings be heard is also part of our

> liberty.  Banning somebody else's legal listing on a

> public auction site does not seem like liberty.  

> The market price for a hunt like this would be over

> one thousand dollars, maybe as high as twenty-five

> hundred.  I am sure that he is hoping that the bid

> price goes that high.  

> I have no idea what makes you think he could have

> gotten the pictured ram (or any other ram somebody

> would pay to hunt) for as little as fifty dollars. 

> Ranches routinely pay five hundred or more for

> "trophy" rams.  A solid brown, or solid white, ram

> can still be considered a trophy.  Would any of us

> breed with something like that?  I think not.  Most

> of us want good "Jacobs".  Most of these ranches

> want good "four-horned" sheep.

> I do not like cheap plastic stuff made in China to

> be sold on E-bay, I do not think it should be

> banned.

>   ----- Original Message ----- 

>   From: Marguerite Van Beek 

>   To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com ; Mark Essen 

>   Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:13 PM

>   Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] ebay auction for hunting

> Jacobs

> 

> 

>   Mark

> 

>   One more thing.  He isn't paying 600.00 for the

> sheep.  He is getting or trying to get that price

> for the hunt.  I am sure he paid a lot less, maybe

> 50.00.  That to me is a bad cull price.

> 

>   Peggy

>     ----- Original Message ----- 

>     From: Mark Essen 

>     To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com 

>     Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:04 PM

>     Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] ebay auction for

> hunting Jacobs

> 

> 

>     And if you do still believe that one of the

> great qualities of this country (for those of us in

> the U.S.) is that we can all get along, no matter

> our differences; I guess you can let E-bay know that

> also.  It seems to me to be a good thing that there

> is a market for excess rams at a good price.  This 

> market gets a lot of small producers interested in

> producing Jacobs.  I do not understand nor promote

> these hunts, but I do have a gut understanding of

> liberty.

>     On a side point, the listing description of a

> Jacobs is a mostly brown sheep with a lot of wool. 

> Does not exactly conform to JSBA standards. 

> Starting price of six hundred dollars is not a bad

> cull price in my neighborhood.

>       ----- Original Message ----- 

>       From: PEGGY VANBEEK 

>       To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com 

>       Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:37 PM

>       Subject: [Jacob-list] ebay auction for hunting

> Jacobs

> 

> 

>      

>

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hunt-for-a-Jacobs-Sheep-Four-Horned-Ram-in-Mason-County_W0QQitemZ380005735276QQihZ025QQcategoryZ14110QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> 

>       If anyone finds this distrubing please contact

> ebay and tell them that this should not be on ebay

> listings.  

>       i tried to get this removed and it was then I

> was searching for Jacob stuff on ebay, pic, charms

> and bingo this came up.

>       We are truly a very sad society.

> 

>       Peggy

> 

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Victoria
Castle Rock Farm
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