[Jacob-list] Opinion regarding "true Jacob"

[Marguerite Van Beek]

Carl & Mark

Absolutely.  I have a mix bag in my flock. What I like about one I may not like about another. If they have white legs but have the face patches, beautiful fleece quality and conformation I will forgo the leg markings. 
I have people who come and want a particular type of Jacob and if I have it so be it and if I don't I send them to another breeder in the hopes they will find their type.  

Peggy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fourhornfarm<mailto:fourhornfarm at verizon.net> 
  To: Mark Essen<mailto:messen at socket.net> ; jacob-list<mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Opinion regarding "true Jacob"


       Well said Mark. 
       I think we often say things that offend others, myself included, not realizing it because we all have different ideas like Jacobs all have different spotting patterns. We also need to be forgiving and hope they didn't realize what they were saying.
       I too prefer Jacobs with knee and hock spots, black muzzles and 4Hs, but do have some ewes in our flock that have white legs and some are 2H too. 
       Some of the things that I think are important are keeping our Jacob breed hardy and primitive in nature. That fine bone, deer like conformation, ease of lambing and good mothering ability, parasite resistance etc. are a great part of what makes Jacobs what they are. 

  Carl
        
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Mark Essen<mailto:messen at socket.net> 
    To: jacob-list<mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> 
    Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:27 AM
    Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Opinion regarding "true Jacob"


    Are we competitive or cynical?  I prefer to think that we are critical.  Anytime we look at prospective new flock members we become very critical.  My picture perfect Jacob has four bold symmetric horns with nice eye and muzzle patches to match the nice knee patches and random black spots all over the rest of the white petite body.  I will not put a two horn or white legged Jacobs into my flock.  But, this is just a critical preference of what I want in my flock.  To claim that somebody else's sheep are impure or second class Jacobs for these reasons would just simply be wrong.  People used to say the same things about red Angus and Holsteins.  The other thing that we should all strive for (have to keep reminding myself of this) is we have to be diplomatic.  My critical comments should never be spoken is such a way that they be taken as an insult.  We also have to be thick skinned enough to forgive or ignore those that fail the diplomacy test.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Marguerite Van Beek<mailto:pegvanbeek at msn.com> 
      To: jacob-list<mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> 
      Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:54 AM
      Subject: [Jacob-list] Opinion regarding "true Jacob"


      To all Jacob Breeders,.

      Do any of you think that a Jacob that does not have leg markings is not a "true Jacob".  That they are a crossbred.  At the MSWF a Jacob breeder approached some people that we looking and admiring our flock can up to them started a conversation and stated that our Jacobs are not "true Jacobs" because we have some that don't have leg markings.  I guess the gentlemen didn't know that my daughter was standing right there when he said it.
      Are we as a group becoming so critical in what consider a "true Jacob" should be?  I have full siblings in my flock where one has leg marking and another does not.  So, the one without is not a true Jacob even thou he carriers that same gene pool as the one that does.  What is going on with our group?  Last year it was the two horn should be culled, this year it is the leg markings.  Gee, that would eliminate a lot of Jacobs.  Is this the path we are heading into.  Have we become that competitive or cynical, which is it?  

      Peggy 
      Ridgecroft Farms


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