[Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 6

[kbarrett at bmi.net]

I have raised Jacob sheep in NE Oregon side by side with Columbia,
Suffolk, and Dorset sheep. I have never had a problem with the Jacobs.
Occasionally there is a bully in the group...but I have never noticed any
breed deliniation in the bullying.  The rams stay together, and generally
the Jacob is not top dog either...usually the big gentle Columbia keeps
things in order. Again, I am going to all Jacobs as my other breeds of
ewes get old. I like them best too:)
Kate Barrett
Ruby Peak Jacobs
Lostine, OR



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> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:44:56 -0700 (PDT)

> From: CARL FOSBRINK <carlfosbrink at yahoo.com>

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> To: Susan J Martin <stcroft at ptd.net>,	Sheep E-mail List

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> Susan,

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> It has not been that way for us and we use rams with black muzzles, knee

> and hock patches etc. Our web site shows rams we have used and also some

> of our ewes and lambs. Please take a look at www.4hornfarm.com. It does

> seem that a lamb crop differs from year to year even when using the same

> sires and dams. Some years you get mostly rams, some years mostly ewes,

> some years dark lambs and some years not.

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> Regards,

> Carl

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> Susan J Martin <stcroft at ptd.net> wrote:

> As I have been checking fellow Jacob breeder's web sites to see new lambs,

> I have noticed that there seem to be a lot of very black lambs.......and

> I also have a few very dark lambs born this year.  Has anyone else

> noticed this?  I am wondering if our preoccupation with black feet, knee

> patches, etc. is creating more black in our lambs.  For yrs. I had

> predominantly white legged Jacobs -- I started out with a Fieldwood ewe

> and that was sort of the look -- a larger-boned sheep, white legs, black

> hooves, pigmented muzzle rather than an actual muzzle patch, etc and I

> used rams that had white legs.........and my lambs were more in the 60/40

> range of color.  However, as I've been getting more sheep in our flock

> with more leg color, I am also getting lambs with much more color on

> their bodies than I would like.

>

> Sue Martin

> Stonecroft

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> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:21:08 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Francis Martinez <fabrega at pacbell.net>

> Subject: [Jacob-list] Question

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> Hello:  I heard that this breed of sheep is what Yakov son of Yitzhaak

> had in Canna'an?  How are they around other sheep?  Is this a primitive

> breed?  WE live in Eastern Wa., State and I am curious about this breed-

> I have 5 acres but I am planning to have no more than 6 sheep total.

> Right now, i am looking at getting a Ewe and her baby that are 1/2

> Icelandic 1/2 Shetland black and white spotted.  But what is the main

> difference between your sheep at these?  Can they co-exist together or do

> I have to have them separate? Can they share the barn?  thank you,

> Francie

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> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:52:15 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Francis Martinez <fabrega at pacbell.net>

> Subject: [Jacob-list] help??

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> Talked to a breeder that raises Shetland and icelandic and she said that

> Jacob sheep cannot be together with any other breed unless they are

> raised together -they Jacob sheep is a bully, and butts and eats all the

> food of the other sheep and they are not good with other animals from her

> personal experience with two jacobs that she had and they cause a

> Shetland Ewe to miscarriage.  Can anyone enlightened me please?

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> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:42:50 -0400

> From: Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] help??

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> I hope someone that raises two breeds will jump in here. There a number

> of breeders on this list with two breeds.

>

> Two Jacobs isn't really enough to make a judgment.  Maybe they came from

> the same farm and were spoiled (or were bottle babies) or were just from

> an aggressive line.  Jacob Sheep are VERY individual, both in appearance

> and in attitude.  I've got a couple of bully ewes, along with a number of

> very polite ewes.  Some friendly ewes, some spooky ewes.  Any time new

> sheep (of any breed, I'd guess) are introduced, they will establish a

> hierarchy.

>

> I believe there a number of Jacob breeders in your area.  Check out

> http://www.jsba.org/northwest.htm  The breeders will be able to help you

> choose a Jacob with the personality to fit your needs.

>

> Don't be turned off to Jacobs because of one person's experience with two

> Jacobs!  They are great sheep!

>

>

> Linda

>

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> www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun

> Yarn

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>> Talked to a breeder that raises Shetland and icelandic and she said

>> that Jacob sheep cannot be together with any other breed unless they are

>> raised together -they Jacob sheep is a bully, and butts and eats all the

>> food of the other sheep and they are not good with other animals from

>> her personal experience with two jacobs that she had and they cause a

>> Shetland Ewe to miscarriage.  Can anyone

>> enlightened me please?

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> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:10:21 -0700 (PDT)

> From: CARL FOSBRINK <carlfosbrink at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] help??

> To: Francis Martinez <fabrega at pacbell.net>, jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

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> Francis,

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> We have not found that to be the case with our Jacobs. They are not

> bullies, but they do have a pecking order the same as other breeds of

> sheep, goats, chickens, etc. When we introduce new sheep to the flock we

> usually set up a temporary pen next to the group they are going to be

> with and the old group will get to know the newcomers in a few days

> through the fence and we then turn them in together. It is also a good

> idea not to feed everyone in the same trough, which causes fights over

> grain. Give them space to eat without having to fight for position.

> Imagine six people setting down to supper with all the food on just one

> plate. I have raised several different breeds of sheep and I like the

> Jacobs the best of all. See our web site at: www.4hornfarm.com.

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>

> Regards,

> Carl Fosbrink

> Indiana

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> Francis Martinez <fabrega at pacbell.net> wrote:

> Talked to a breeder that raises Shetland and icelandic and she said that

> Jacob sheep cannot be together with any other breed unless they are

> raised together -they Jacob sheep is a bully, and butts and eats all the

> food of the other sheep and they are not good with other animals from her

> personal experience with two jacobs that she had and they cause a

> Shetland Ewe to miscarriage.  Can anyone enlightened me please?

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> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:33:36 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Robert May <newjerseyjacobs at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] help??

> To: Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net>,	Francis Martinez

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> Good Morning Linda & Francis...

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>

> We've been raising CVMs and Jacobs for the past 5

> years, and (other than at breeding tims) will have Jacob ewes and CVM ewes

> together; Jacob rams and CVM rams are also put together in a pasture.

>

> I've never witnessed any "bullying" by the Jacobs

> against the CVMS.  The "normal" behavior of our two breeds, is that the

> CVMs will tend to go off in a

> group, and the Jacobs in another; however, at feeding time, they all come

> running for the grain; but no bullying.

>

> Our flock includes about 50 Jacobs and 20 CVMs, so

> I've had plenty of opportunities to witness the

> behavior of--at least--these two breeds.

>

> Definitely don't judge the entire breed on the

> behavior of two Jacobs.

>

> Regards,

> Bob May

> JSBA President

> Swayze Inn Farm

> Hope, NJ

> --- Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net> wrote:

>

>

>> I hope someone that raises two breeds will jump in

>> here. There a number of breeders on this list with two breeds.

>>

>> Two Jacobs isn't really enough to make a judgment.

>> Maybe they came from the same farm and were spoiled

>> (or were bottle babies) or were just from an

>> aggressive line.  Jacob Sheep are VERY individual, both in appearance and

>> in attitude.  I've got a couple of bully ewes, along with a number of

>> very polite ewes.  Some friendly ewes, some spooky ewes. Any time new

>> sheep (of any breed, I'd guess) are introduced, they will establish a

>> hierarchy.

>>

>> I believe there a number of Jacob breeders in your

>> area.  Check out http://www.jsba.org/northwest.htm The breeders will be

>> able to help you choose a Jacob with the personality to fit your needs.

>>

>> Don't be turned off to Jacobs because of one

>> person's experience with two Jacobs!  They are great sheep!

>>

>> Linda

>>

>>

>> www.patchworkfibers.com Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun

>>  Yarn

>>

>>

>>

>>> Talked to a breeder that raises Shetland and

>>>

>> icelandic and she said

>>> that Jacob sheep cannot be together with any other

>> breed unless

>>> they are raised together -they Jacob sheep is a

>> bully, and butts

>>> and eats all the food of the other sheep and they

>> are not good with

>>> other animals from her personal experience with

>> two jacobs that she

>>> had and they cause a Shetland Ewe to miscarriage.

>> Can anyone

>>

>>> enlightened me please? _______________________________________________

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>> Jacob-list mailing list, sponsored by Swallow Lane

>> Farm & Fiberworks

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