[Jacob-list] LGDs

Sun Jul 30 20:18:15 EDT 2006

Had to jump in here.  I believe it was Linda last year who mentioned she had Danes, and they got along well with the animals.  It was part of the reason I ended up with them.  2 males.  They aren't ever IN the pasture with the animals off leash, but they share several common fence lines.  While I think the dogs would be fine with the animals, I have a couple llamas that would likely try and stomp them to death.  But like Linda's, my Danes are always with me, somewhere in the yard or in the house.

Like I said, we have llamas too.  9 of them.  We used to have an actual "guard" gelding, but he died this year from Oleander.  Now, just by virtue of the fact that we have 9 large llamas, I believe our chances of coyote or mountain lion attacks are less.  We leave our ewes, pygmy goats and llamas all out at night in a pasture with closed gates and a barn.  They usually opt not to use the barn except during heavy rains.  We've lived this way for almost 2 years and while lots of our neighbors have lots animals to mountain lions or foxes, we have not.  We also have 17 free range hens, and have seen foxes in neighboring yards, but never on our property.  (They go into a locked coop at night though).

I can only assume it's because of the llamas, (and the occasional giant barking dog doesn't hurt either!).

Sheri 
Shingle Springs, CA

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Linda 
  To: CARL FOSBRINK ; Debbie Bennett ; Judy Watson 
  Cc: Jacob List 
  Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] LGDs

  We use donkeys. I got my first donkey 40 + years ago and I've always really liked them.  Dave got his first donkey 14 years ago and I guess we'll always have them.  IF we didn't have donkeys, I do believe I'd opt for llamas before dogs.  As Carl says, I do not want to offend, and I do know that many people have dogs that do a really great job.  Around here I just haven't been too impressed by the LGD's I've been around.  By the time you get a fence strong enough to keep them in, the fence is strong enough to keep most anything out.  I don't know if all LGD's bark all the time, but the ones in my neighborhood sure do.

  My sheep have always gotten along pretty well with my Danes.  It may be because the Danes are usually with me and they are such calm dogs.

  Linda

  www.patchworkfibers.com
  Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn

  > Hello All,
  >
  >   I do not intend to offend anyone that has guard dogs and if it
  > works for them that is great.  We have guard llamas and I can not
  > say enough good things about the job they do. The Jacobs like them
  > and they guard the Jacobs very well. Woe be to any dog that gets
  > into the Jacob pasture.  The last dog that got into the pasture was
  > howling to get out and I had to go rescue him because the ram was
  > bouncing him off the fence.
  >
  > Regards,
  > Carl
  >
  >
  > Debbie Bennett wrote:
  >> We use llamas to guard. It amazes me that your Jacobs will accept
  >> any dog, regardless of breed. My Jacobs beat up dogs: the
  >> neighbor's pit bulls, the old lab we used to have, a couple
  >> different herding dogs, etc.
  >> We now have a German shepherd/hunting dog cross as our family
  >> dog. The sheep have "accepted" him better than any other dog
  >> we've tried. The Jacobs beat him up a couple times and he pretty
  >> much ignores them. He does however, catch up chickens when they
  >> stray into the garden and has helped us herd a couple stray
  >> lambs. He does this by cornering and holding the stray until we
  >> get there (the hunting instincts) and the other night, he rescued
  >> a chicken - couldn't see in the dark, exactly what had gotten a
  >> hold of it, but he chased off the predator and held onto the
  >> chicken, so we were able to put it back in the barn relatively
  >> unharmed (missing a few feathers). Debbie Bennett Feral Fibre
  >> Farm Oakland, Oregon On Jul 28, 2006, at 5:31 AM, Judy Watson
  >> wrote:
  >>
  >>> Elaina,
  >>> I think it depends a lot on where you are located and whether
  >>> you are buying a show dog or not. In Texas it is common to see
  >>> pups for
  >>> $150 to $200, but I see "breeding stock" (read city bred &
  >>> raised) dogs
  >>> for up to and over $1000. I have 2 Anatolians and 1
  >>> Anatolian/Great Pyr. mix and am extremely pleased with all of
  >>> them and would trade any of them for a truck load of gold. I
  >>> think it is important to try to get
  >>> pups from actual working parents, and it is best that they be
  >>> born and grow up around livestock, although this is not always
  >>> necessary as the best Anatolian I have was a "rescue" and had
  >>> been kept in isolated in a
  >>> small cage for the first 5 months of her life before I got her.
  >>> She bonded right away with my herd. I also would never hesitate
  >>> to have another cross as long as it is a cross between LGD
  >>> breeds (and not something else like a herding dog, hunting dog,
  >>> etc).
  >>>
  >>> ================================================= Judy Watson
  >>> 325-938-5403 hm. Rt. 2 Box 287 325-451-0209 cell 330 CR 427
  >>> Goldthwaite, TX 76844
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> I-Diamond-I Ranch www.IDiamondI.com
  >>> ================================================================= Does
  >>>  anyone know "typical" prices for various breeds of LGD puppy?
  >>> e.g.
  >>> Great Pyrenees, Anatolian, Maremma, etc. A friend asked me to
  >>> post this question. Thanks,
  >>>
  >>> Elaina M. Kenyon
  >>> http://www.avillionfarm.com
  >>> Shetland sheep, angora goats, angora rabbits
  >>>
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