[Jacob-list] Re: Jacob-list different lamb

Tue Feb 22 12:16:56 EST 2005

Hi All,
  Don't know is you remember my question on why my
wether was born without a penis?   Just read an
article in the newspaper this morning that explains
it....if sheep mammals are like human mammals.  This
talk to the American Assoc. for the Advancement of
Science was by Dr. Wm. Reiner of the Okla. Univ.
Health Sci. Center.  He was discussing the birth of
intersex children.   The way it works for boys is that
in the uterus there is a genetic reaction to
androgen....the fetus is less responsive to androgen
during development and they are born without a penis. 
 I sort of wonder if his twin brother absorbed the
available androgen because he was a monster and was
butting people when just a few days old and almost one
third larger than his twin.  In fact when the smaller
twin was born I thought it was a ewe till I turned him
over.
  Victoria
  Castle Rock Farm

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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:49:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mary Hansson <buffgeese at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Jacob-list] another "this can't happen" at
> ISeeSpots Farm
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> Hi,
> 
> Just came home to find twin ram lambs out of ISS
> Adonai and Huntsberger Hunter.  One is 2-horned and
> the other is 4-horned.  Both parents are TWO HORNED.
>  
> 
> Linda Bjarkman can tell you how obsessive I am about
> checking for fully fused 4-horns.....and I swear
> these
> parents just have 2 horns.
> 
> The math just doesn't work on this one.
> 
> Mary Ellen
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> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:08:08 -0800
> From: Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net>
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] another "this can't
> happen" at ISeeSpots
> 	Farm
> To: Mary Hansson <buffgeese at yahoo.com>, Jacob List
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> ROFL!   Isn't this fun and don't you love surprises!
> 
> I think we probably don't really know all that much
> about horn genetics and that the old saw 2 + 2 = 2
> may be abit simplistic.  It certainly does not look
> like Adonai or Hunter are fused from the pictures.
> 
> Linda
> 
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> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:49:03 -0800 (PST), Mary
> Hansson wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just came home to find twin ram lambs out of ISS
> Adonai and
> > Huntsberger Hunter.  One is 2-horned and the other
> is 4-horned.
> > Both parents are TWO HORNED.
> >
> > Linda Bjarkman can tell you how obsessive I am
> about checking for
> > fully fused 4-horns.....and I swear these parents
> just have 2 horns.
> >
> > The math just doesn't work on this one.
> >
> > Mary Ellen
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:27:30 -0000
> From: "gordon johnston"
> <gordon at westergladstone.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: [Jacob-list] fused 4 horns
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> At a talk Marshall Watson gave here at New Lanark in
> Scotland last Sunday,
> he described a 2 horned Shetland ram bred by Peter
> Hardman.  This ram had
> thrown 4 horned progeny as you describe.  After
> slaughter, the horns and
> skull were examined closely and the core was found
> to have a slightly
> divided appearance at the base.  This suggested that
> the animal had the
> 'splitting gene' but with only the slightest
> expression, not affecting the
> outside of the horns at all.  Apparently, the
> splitting gene can be
> expressed from this smallest degree , through what
> we all recognise as
> normal 4 hornedness, on to include split eyelids and
> finally to complete
> splitting of the skull from the horns down through
> the upper jaw.
> 
> So one of either your sire or dam could be carrying
> 4 hornedness without you
> being able to detect it without performing a post
> mortem examination.
> 
> Why don't you like 4 horned Jacobs ?
> 
> Juliet in Scotland.
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:35:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mary Hansson <buffgeese at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] fused 4 horns
> To: gordon johnston
> <gordon at westergladstone.fsnet.co.uk>,
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> Juliet and all,
>  
> I love 4-horned Jacobs.  The fact that both parents
> have nothing remotely resembling a seam front or
> back on either of their horns suggests that they are
> both 2-horned.  It is good to know that there is a
> post-mortem close analysis of a sheep that does show
> multi-horns that never display as even a slight
> seam.
>  
> The dam is a product of me breeding 2 4-horned
> animals together.  In my usual "luck", I wind up
> with the 25% chance (when both parents are
> heterozygous multi-horned) that offspring are
> 2-horned.  
>  
> The sire was a ram lamb that came off the coast of
> Maine a year and a half ago, so parentage on him is
> unknown.  He has a typical hornset seen in
> fully-fused 4-horned rams, and I have looked
> countless 
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Victoria
Castle Rock Farm
Jacob Sheep & Nigerian Dwarf Goats
www.castlerockfarm.net

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