[Jacob-list] Re: It's a black and white!

[Betty Berlenbach]

How do I know?  That's just what I was told.  That jacobs were crossed with dorsets in Britain because dorsets are the only (or perhaps, one of two, the board was out on cheviots) breed you can cross jacobs with and get piebald.  Maybe your crossbred ewes have some dorset in them?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neal and Louise Grose 
  To: Betty Berlenbach 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:54 AM
  Subject: Re: It's a black and white!


  . " I thought only dorsets crossed with jacobs yielded jacob looking lambs. "
  OK, why would Jacob X Dorset yield marked lambs? Is it because the Dorsets have a pieblad gene? a dominant white gene?
  Neal
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Betty Berlenbach 
    To: Neal and Louise Grose 
    Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:46 PM
    Subject: Re: It's a black and white!


    Wait a minute!  IT's black AND white!  THat just sunk in!  jacob crossed with most breeds yields black, not black and white, or black with minor white.  This is a jacob looking lamb, right?  Now, that's weird.  I thought only dorsets crossed with jacobs yielded jacob looking lambs.  I've crossed a shetland ram (can't remember color, but was not black, probably wasn't moorit, jumped the fence early on, must have been moorit, don't think there was any other that year, will have to look it up.) with a jacob ewe (black and white) and got a little black lamb.  This must say something about the spotting factor as well.  Or connect it with the lilac and the black and white ewes in different ways.  Ooh, ooh!  I was so busy noticing the fact that lilac yielded black, that I didn't even consider the spotting pattern on this lamb of yours.  Did Max breed any black and white ewes?  
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Neal and Louise Grose 
      To: Betty Berlenbach 
      Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 2:27 PM
      Subject: Re: It's a black and white!


      Email service has been down. I was going to post some pictures to some people such as Dr. Phil etc. when I had a few more lambs in order to make sure things are consistent. My reasoning is that "lilac" and "black" are at different loci, with lilac as a modifying gene. Hence, lilac (l) is recessive to non-lilac (L). We just don't see our lilac Jacobs fading as some have reported. I think the fading that is seen is the same premature fading gene that Fred talks about in the black and whites. Idunno. The other thing is that there are probably several "lilac" genes. As Dr. Sponenberg says: "Lilac is whatever is not black." We have one old 'pewter lilac' that is the only ewe left out of the linebred Painter/Baraclough ram that we got from Robert Johnson.

      Neal
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Betty Berlenbach 
        To: Neal and Louise Grose 
        Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:07 PM
        Subject: Re: It's a black and white!


        Now, isn't that interesting...You need to share this info with the list.  Max is moorit; totally recessive.  Both his parents are moorit.  There is, in shetlands, no possibility that he is carrying anything that will produce black.  HEnce, does that say something about lilac...like it is a fading thing, rather than another color???  And which sort of lilac is this?  I know someone with lilacs which are born, as they come out, blue grey.  Then, I know someone with lambs that look like black, coming out.  After dry, in the light, they don't quite look black, then the spots all turn grey, and the head spots still aren't quite black, maybe charcoal.  Both fade to chocolate brown in the sun on the tips.  At the skin, the blue grey remains blue-grey; facial markings stay blue grey.  Fairly light blue grey.  In any case, whatever made that lamb turn black came from the jacob!  Veddy interesting...
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Neal and Louise Grose 
          To: Betty Berlenbach 
          Cc: Neal or Louise Grose 
          Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:58 PM
          Subject: It's a black and white!


          This is the first from Max and his lilac girlfriends. Hopefully there will be a few more. Let me know how this downloads.

          Neal

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