Fw: [Jacob-list] Dog Problems in Michigan

[Kelly Foster]

-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Foster <maplelanehmstd at dialpoint.net>
To: Sugar Hill Farm <sugarhil at northland.lib.mi.us>
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Dog Problems in Michigan


>Marcia,
>I live in N.C. (sorry to confuse!) In talking to the sheriff, I was also
>told that 14 coyotes and 1 red wolf  have been RELEASED in our area. I
think
>the county is resposible for those attacks but the owner of the dogs would
>have to pay for this instance. A couple of years ago We had a dog attack
>that wiped out close to 30 birds--I did track down those dogs and the owner
>paid me for every one.
>Kelly
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sugar Hill Farm <sugarhil at northland.lib.mi.us>
>To: Kelly Foster <maplelanehmstd at dialpoint.net>; Jacob List
><jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
>Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 7:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Dog Problems in Michigan
>
>
>>Hi Kelly,
>>
>>I too am in MI and I wonder if what your sheriff told you was just for
your
>>county or for all of MI?  Luckily we haven't had any attacks, but the
>>coyotes are around here and bear too.
>>
>>Oct 1 a new law goes in effect here in MI to reimburse farmers for sheep
>>attacks by coyotes and wolf, don't know about dogs.  That would be state
>>wide.
>>
>>Marcia
>>Sugar Hill Farm, Jacob & Shetland sheep
>>American Bashkir Curly & Apploosa Horses
>>Deleware Chickens
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Kelly Foster" <maplelanehmstd at dialpoint.net>
>>To: "Jacob List" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
>>Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 8:18 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Dog Problems in Michigan
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>  I just returned today with 2 wonderful guard dogs from Edd's place
today
>>> because of dog problems.
>>>  In the last two weeks we have had a dog or dogs get in our barnyard
>which
>>I
>>> thought was safe for our critters. Th first time we lost a couple of
meat
>>> rabbits, some chickens and a turkey. My neighbor was not so lucky-- she
>>lost
>>> both of her goats. I was mad -called the sherriff and animal control,
>>traps
>>> were set . They told me I had a right to protect my livestock at any
>cost.
>>I
>>> can shoot any animal (WILD OR TAME) on my property if it is a threat to
>my
>>> animals or family. The last time this creature came it killed 14 rabbits
>>(11
>>> angora) and several more chickens.  Cages were destroyed. We were not
>home
>>> at the time and I figured it was running out of rabbits and my sheep
>would
>>> probably be next.
>>>    Sooo- off to Edd's I went and I am now armed with a 410 and 2 dogs.
>War
>>> has been declared. I used to run off strays with a bb gun worried that
it
>>> was someone's pet- HA! Those days are over. I figure if its on my
propery
>>> its a threat.
>>>
>>>  Kelly
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Linda <wolfpen at rabun.net>
>>> To: cindymcdee at aol.com <cindymcdee at aol.com>; humbug7 at worldnet.att.net
>>> <humbug7 at worldnet.att.net>; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
>>> <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
>>> Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 4:06 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Dog Problems in Michigan
>>>
>>>
>>> In Georgia the law says something like you cannot shoot a dog UNLESS it
>is
>>> doing damage to your property.  I consider a
>>> dog that is not mine and is on my property as damaging my property.  As
>>much
>>> as I'd love to, I have no right to shoot
>>> the dog that stays outside the fence barking all night at my dogs.  But,
>>if
>>> that dog ever gets through our fence, he's
>>> fair and, I believe, legal game.
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:07:18 EDT,  wrote:
>>> >In our state there is an old law on the books that lets farmers
>>> >protect their
>>> >livestock regardless.  Of course, the young yuppies and policemen
>>> >that don't
>>> >have agricultural backgrounds ignore it and tell us that we cannot
>>> >defend
>>> >ourselves from wandering predatory animals, but a lot of law
>>> >enforcement will
>>> >give you their opinion on the subject and they do not know or care
>>> >about what
>>> >the law says.
>>> >
>>> >The truth is that a person is allowed to defend their property.
>>> >There are a
>>> >variety of ways.  We went and bought a live dog trap to the tune of
>>> >99$ and
>>> >use nice hamburger or anything else to get the animal.
>>> >THEN........it
>>> >depends on whether the husband is at home as to what happens next.
>>> >He is a
>>> >softy.  I am not.  Sometimes, depending on the animal, I return it
>>> >to the
>>> >owner, because I know it got out by mistake.  With one owner, I want
>>> >to be
>>> >able to say that I would never harm his animals, so I trap his dogs
>>> >and drive
>>> >them 3 counties over and turn them over as strays to the humane
>>> >society (They
>>> >are never seen again!).  With other dogs, (I know the neighborhood
>>> >dogs) the
>>> >strays, they simply disappear quietly, when the hubby isn't home.  I
>>> >talk to
>>> >tons of old timers and they all have guns and stories to tell about
>>> >defending
>>> >their livestock.  Basically, a wandering dog WILL destroy livestock.
>>> > Period.
>>> > People that don't own livestock don't care about our losses.  So,
>>> >it might
>>> >be considered guerilla warfare.
>>> >
>>> >cindy j
>>> >
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