[Jacob-list] jacob research project--questions

[wolfpen]

Mary Ellen,

I was going over some of your research project forms.  I was wondering if it
might be more specific and more easily understood to measure forehead
profile by placing a straight edge at one end at the nose and going back to
the poll at the other end of the straight edge and then measuring the
greatest distance from the face. (which would be where the break occurs)  If
you added in the distance from the nose at which that greatest distance
occurs, it would give a very concise picture of the profile.  Or, at least,
it seems it would.  Does that make any sense?

Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: "shepherd" <iseespots at email.msn.com>
To: "*Jacob discussion group" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Sent: 27 April, 2000 11:13 AM
Subject: [Jacob-list] jacob research project--questions


> Hi all,
>
> I have been slaving away with the MS ACCESS 2000 database development for
> the Jacob Research Project.  I have 97 animals into the computer, and
> another ~ 100 to go for forms that have been sent in by breeders around
the
> country.  Can you believe the enthusiasm and interest in learning with
these
> animals!?!  I just couldn't be more tickled.
>
> Anyway---on with the real questions:
>
> I am using the straight-on facials and profile shots of the heads to
> determine ear angle, horn angle, facial profile as well as horn
angle/facial
> profile directions.
>
> The facial profile looks like there might be the possibility of getting
> information back for predictions of whether horns will tip forward more
than
> is "typically" desired----at least here's hoping!  I.E.  How much like a
> recliner does the forehead have to become before the horns tip too far
> forward?  Is this a steady correlation, and if so,  What is the "tip-over"
> point?
>
> We have reams of questions that have been asked/hopefully answered by the
> sheep submitted, but if you have specific questions, please e-mail me.
> There are ways of setting up the database that might aid in getting
answers
> better and the more questions we know of in the beginning, the more we can
> hopefully pull out in the end.  I spent several hours going back this
> morning adding a single datapoint on these 97 sheep that was sitting right
> here in front of me that had not been put into the database---made me
think
> I don't want to do this too often with this many sheep.
>
> Just an aside----there are about 20 farms across the country that have
said
> they would be participating at some level (1 animal to all their animals
and
> whatever information they could gather).  Out of these, there is 1 farm
that
> has been in operation over 10 years!  We have animals submitted from
> considerably more than 20 breeding locations (owned by these participating
> farms) and do have representation from most of the early or larger flocks.
>
> Edd----Poring through the info you sent me awhile back, would it be
> permissible to use those animals as well in this project for the info I
can
> glean from their files?  There will certainly be lots of empty holes on
each
> animal, but there would be information to be gained as well.
>
> Anybody wanting to learn more about the project or how to get
> started---please feel free to check my web site out as there is a section
of
> that dealing with the research project.  I will also be happy to answer
> questions along the way with anybody.
>
> People participating in the project remain anonymous as to their animals
> submitted, information regarding their individual flocks, etc.  I will NOT
> talk about information on individual animals with anybody but the person
> submitting the animal either.  Each person checking their animals out so
far
> has gotten back with me about how amazed at the vast amount of information
> they gained about their sheep----they have been as excited to know more
> about their sheep as to help out in the project.  Individuals
participating
> in the project are privy to all findings of the data along the 5-year
> collection period FIRST, before it is released to anybody else (just one
of
> those perks of the study).
>
> Mary Ellen
> ISeeSpots Farm www.iseespots.com
> Home of Jacob Sheep, Shetland Sheep,
> and German Angora Rabbits, colored German Angora crosses.
> Renewable fleeces, loving personalities, friends.
>
>
>
>
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