[AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire tracks...

[Gerry]

The pigs who come on my place are javelinas. Skulls of a few who came at the
wrong time adorn my patio. Only yesterday the whole herd was digging in my
compost zone, little piggies and all. Unfortunately the fled into the tall
grass and I couldn't get a clean shot on them, but I fired a couple just to
get some respect, as Jon calls it.

The skunks and ground squirrels get the cat food. A couple of skunks per
year (minimum) don't live to breed another litter. As for the squirrels I
haven't had much luck with a resident intruder, but you can bet that sooner
or later it (they?) will get careless...

I will admit that while I enjoy making a good shot, I do not enjoy the
killing...unusual conflict. But resident varmints take a sizeable toll on
one's resources, sooner or later. As for the pigs, they have destroyed two
gardens and receive no mercy.

I use a .22. Also have a Sheridan Air Rifle which is far less powerful but
enough to kill small varmints.

Jon, you could get one of those air pistols that shoot paint balls. Some
have a laser sight, hard to miss. While the pistol won't kill the 'coons, it
will sting and stain them, thus gaining you some respect. Also, they look so
real you could scare the hell out of an intruder with one.
G



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Ford" <jonmfordster at hotmail.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire
tracks...



>

> Bill and Frances-- I have been thinking for a long time about buying a gun

> to exterminate the huge racoons who eat my cat's food at night and show no

> respect for me when I come out yelling at them. However, after the bracing

> exchange below, I have decided to live and let live.

>

> Jon

>

> >From: "Bill Irwin" <billi at aloha.net>

> >Reply-To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the

> >60s<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

> >To: "survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the

> >60s"<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

> >Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire

> >tracks...

> >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:36:15 -1000

> >

> >Well, that is a good, well thought out answer.   I would have to agree

with

> >you on most all points.  I have 2 guns but now that I have given up on

> >exterminating the pigs or even shooting at them I don't know what use

they

> >are any more.  Oh, I remember - I am waiting for the revolution (lets

hope

> >for a peaceful revolution).

> >Ewie

> >

> >   ----- Original Message -----

> >   From: Frances Morey

> >   To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s

> >   Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:01 PM

> >   Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire

> >tracks...

> >

> >

> >   I agree with you Bill--haven't touched a gun in my adulthood, which it

> >turned out is a lot longer than my childhood ever was. I might think

> >differently if I lived out in the county. I saw a shadow on my balcony

once

> >and remember thinking, "Why don't I have a gun when I need one." The

> >shadowy figure was a teenager, the son of someone known to me, who was

> >being a peeping tom. He fessed up fast when I grabbed the phone and

started

> >calling 911. Still, 911 is never gonna be as fast as a speeding bullet. I

> >just hope one never comes my way.

> >   The statistics are that guns in the home are more often used to kill

> >family members, even by accident, than against an intruder--even used in

> >suicide. There is also statistical evidence that the gun is not only the

> >reason for a crime, which lures the thief, but can be utilized by the

> >criminal against the gun owner. Unless you are fearless and well trained

> >the gun can be easily removed from your hands and turned on you. If you

> >scare someone by pointing a gun at them, imagine how pissed they are when

> >they wrestle it away and turn it on the First Pointer.

> >   I don't think there is so much wrong with gun ownership as there is in

> >gun use. You never know how that is going to come out. I took care of an

> >elderly patient. He had lots of guns but what made my skin crawl was when

> >he went out one fine day and purchased bullets.

> >   Even some suicides want to take company along. With me it isn't about

> >being a Christian. It's about being safe--safer without firearms.

> >   Best,

> >   Frances

> >

> >   Bill Irwin <billi at aloha.net> wrote:

> >     Just out of curiosity I wanted to ask Frances and Michele how to

> >rationalize guns use and Christianity, gun use and being a peacenik.

> >Since you both represent those two camps to some extent I thought you

might

> >have some insight on those two dilemmas.  Seems to me that gun use is

> >neither Christian nor peaceful.

> >     Aloha,

> >     Ewie

> >

> >       ----- Original Message -----

> >       From: Frances Morey

> >

> >

> >       Hell, I'da shot at the horse drive-by shooter's car. If his

defense

> >would have been that he was shooting horses I would have said I was

> >standing by the horse and thought he was shooting at me! I grew up with

> >guns, too, even beat another kid at the hunting camp in a target shooting

> >face off--he had won a ribbon in Boy Scout camp outshooting 500 other

> >scouts. My dad was really proud of me. His dad gathered him up and they

> >left hunting camp early.

> >       It's like this with me and guns, if you introduce a gun in a movie

> >script at some point it has to be fired before the end of the movie. I

feel

> >that if the potential is there, at some point it will be used, sometimes

by

> >the intruder--so I just as soon not have them or keep them.

> >       Once the bullets start flying and the scene is scattered with

bodies

> >it is moot to talk about who shot first. I try to avoid gun totin'

> >neighborhoods. That's probably just a delusion.

> >       When Whitman happened guns came out of the woodwork all over the

> >place even though the students were at that time forbidden to keep

> >firearms.

> >       Best,

> >       Frances

> >

> >       michele mason <yaya.m at earthlink.net> wrote:

> >         This sounds like gone too far. I am a gun carrier and do want

the

> >right

> >         to shoot anyone who breaks in to my place, or is menacing my

land.

> >I've

> >         had some scary close calls. So far, a warning shot seems to keep

> >"them"

> >         away, but I'm still alert. I want to be sure I'm not signing

> >something

> >         that might hinder my rights.

> >         We even had one guy driving by to shoot horses! He fired at

mine,

> >but

> >         missed. He did manage to kill several in Bastrop co. I don't

know

> >that

> >         they ever caught him. We couldn't shoot back, not even to

disable

> >his

> >         car because he was "on the roadway". If this bill gives me that

> >right,

> >         I can't oppose it. Need more info. mm

> >

> >         On Dec 7, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Frances Morey wrote:

> >

> >         >

> >         >

> >         > StopTheNRA wrote:Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006

> >         > 15:25:47 -0600 (CST)

> >         >> From: StopTheNRA

> >         >> To: frances_morey at yahoo.com

> >         >> Subject: Texas: Help Stop Shoot First!

> >         >>

> >         >> If this email does not display correctly, click here to open

it

> >in

> >         >> your browser.

> >         >> <11665.gif>Stop Shoot First in Texas!

> >         >> Sign Our Petition: Deadly Force Should Not Be a First Resort

> >         >> Dear Texas StoptheNRA Member,

> >         >> As we gear up for the 2007 Texas state legislative session,

we

> >wanted

> >         >> to take this opportunity to tell you about the dangerous

"Shoot

> >         >> First" legislation that will be introduced when the

legislature

> >         >> convenes next month, and our plans to fight it.

> >         >> If passed, such a law would make it legal for a gun owner to

> >shoot

> >         >> and kill another person even when they could have safely

gotten

> >away,

> >         >> and even if they are in a public place where innocent people

> >could be

> >         >> shot in the crossfire.   The shooter does not have to prove

> >their

> >         >> life was in danger, but only that they "reasonably" felt

their

> >life

> >         >> was threatened.  This new bill would eliminate a citizen's

duty

> >to

> >         >> avoid the threat, by walking away or seeking refuge in a safe

> >place

> >         >> and, instead, allows the gun user to "shoot first" to

eliminate

> >the

> >         >> threat.

> >         >> Click Here to Sign Our Petition to Stop Shoot First in Texas!

> >         >> The Shoot First bill, that first became law in Florida in

> >October

> >         >> 2005, is so overly broad and expansive that everyday

> >occurrences

> >         >> could have deadly consequences for everyone involved --

> >including

> >         >> innocent bystanders, who would have no civil recourse against

a

> >         >> shooter if they are injured or killed in the crossfire.

> >According to

> >         >> a study conducted by the Orlando Sentinel, Shoot First has

> >already

> >         >> been used to defend some questionable shootings.

> >         >>

> >         >> This legislation permits the average citizen to bypass our

> >entire

> >         >> justice system by permitting him or her to assume the role of

> >police

> >         >> officer, prosecutor, judge, and executioner -- but it doesn't

> >stop

> >         >> there -- this bill also protects the shooter from criminal

> >         >> prosecution and civil liability!

> >         >> You may think this is absurd, but the NRA has already passed

> >this

> >         >> bill in 10 states!

> >         >> As the legislative session draws nearer, we will be in touch

> >with

> >         >> more information about how to stop this dangerous

legislation.

> >In

> >         >> the meantime, please sign our petition and urge your friends

to

> >sign

> >         >> up for our alerts so they too can help stop Shoot First in

> >Texas!

> >         >> Here's What You Can Do to Keep "Shoot First" Out of Texas:

> >         >>> 1. Sign our petition to stop Shoot First in Texas!

> >         >>> 2. Forward this e-mail to friends, family, and colleagues in

> >Texas

> >         >>> and urge them to sign the petition (you can include a

personal

> >note

> >         >>> on top).

> >         >>> 3. Click here to contribute to our efforts in Texas and

across

> >the

> >         >>> country.

> >         >> For more information on this legislation and how to get

> >involved in

> >         >> the gun violence prevention movement in Texas, please contact

> >the

> >         >> Texas Million Mom March Chapters of the Brady Campaign.

> >         >> Thank you for helping us stop Shoot First in Texas!

> >         >>

> >         >> Sincerely,

> >         >> Your Friends at StoptheNRA.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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