[AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire tracks...

[Jon Ford]

Bill and Frances-- I have been thinking for a long time about buying a gun 
to exterminate the huge racoons who eat my cat's food at night and show no 
respect for me when I come out yelling at them. However, after the bracing 
exchange below, I have decided to live and let live.

Jon


>From: "Bill Irwin" <billi at aloha.net>

>Reply-To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 

>60s<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

>To: "survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 

>60s"<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

>Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire 

>tracks...

>Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:36:15 -1000

>

>Well, that is a good, well thought out answer.   I would have to agree with 

>you on most all points.  I have 2 guns but now that I have given up on 

>exterminating the pigs or even shooting at them I don't know what use they 

>are any more.  Oh, I remember - I am waiting for the revolution (lets hope 

>for a peaceful revolution).

>Ewie

>

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: Frances Morey

>   To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s

>   Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:01 PM

>   Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire 

>tracks...

>

>

>   I agree with you Bill--haven't touched a gun in my adulthood, which it 

>turned out is a lot longer than my childhood ever was. I might think 

>differently if I lived out in the county. I saw a shadow on my balcony once 

>and remember thinking, "Why don't I have a gun when I need one." The 

>shadowy figure was a teenager, the son of someone known to me, who was 

>being a peeping tom. He fessed up fast when I grabbed the phone and started 

>calling 911. Still, 911 is never gonna be as fast as a speeding bullet. I 

>just hope one never comes my way.

>   The statistics are that guns in the home are more often used to kill 

>family members, even by accident, than against an intruder--even used in 

>suicide. There is also statistical evidence that the gun is not only the 

>reason for a crime, which lures the thief, but can be utilized by the 

>criminal against the gun owner. Unless you are fearless and well trained 

>the gun can be easily removed from your hands and turned on you. If you 

>scare someone by pointing a gun at them, imagine how pissed they are when 

>they wrestle it away and turn it on the First Pointer.

>   I don't think there is so much wrong with gun ownership as there is in 

>gun use. You never know how that is going to come out. I took care of an 

>elderly patient. He had lots of guns but what made my skin crawl was when 

>he went out one fine day and purchased bullets.

>   Even some suicides want to take company along. With me it isn't about 

>being a Christian. It's about being safe--safer without firearms.

>   Best,

>   Frances

>

>   Bill Irwin <billi at aloha.net> wrote:

>     Just out of curiosity I wanted to ask Frances and Michele how to 

>rationalize guns use and Christianity, gun use and being a peacenik.   

>Since you both represent those two camps to some extent I thought you might 

>have some insight on those two dilemmas.  Seems to me that gun use is 

>neither Christian nor peaceful.

>     Aloha,

>     Ewie

>

>       ----- Original Message -----

>       From: Frances Morey

>

>

>       Hell, I'da shot at the horse drive-by shooter's car. If his defense 

>would have been that he was shooting horses I would have said I was 

>standing by the horse and thought he was shooting at me! I grew up with 

>guns, too, even beat another kid at the hunting camp in a target shooting 

>face off--he had won a ribbon in Boy Scout camp outshooting 500 other 

>scouts. My dad was really proud of me. His dad gathered him up and they 

>left hunting camp early.

>       It's like this with me and guns, if you introduce a gun in a movie 

>script at some point it has to be fired before the end of the movie. I feel 

>that if the potential is there, at some point it will be used, sometimes by 

>the intruder--so I just as soon not have them or keep them.

>       Once the bullets start flying and the scene is scattered with bodies 

>it is moot to talk about who shot first. I try to avoid gun totin' 

>neighborhoods. That's probably just a delusion.

>       When Whitman happened guns came out of the woodwork all over the 

>place even though the students were at that time forbidden to keep 

>firearms.

>       Best,

>       Frances

>

>       michele mason <yaya.m at earthlink.net> wrote:

>         This sounds like gone too far. I am a gun carrier and do want the 

>right

>         to shoot anyone who breaks in to my place, or is menacing my land. 

>I've

>         had some scary close calls. So far, a warning shot seems to keep 

>"them"

>         away, but I'm still alert. I want to be sure I'm not signing 

>something

>         that might hinder my rights.

>         We even had one guy driving by to shoot horses! He fired at mine, 

>but

>         missed. He did manage to kill several in Bastrop co. I don't know 

>that

>         they ever caught him. We couldn't shoot back, not even to disable 

>his

>         car because he was "on the roadway". If this bill gives me that 

>right,

>         I can't oppose it. Need more info. mm

>

>         On Dec 7, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Frances Morey wrote:

>

>         >

>         >

>         > StopTheNRA wrote:Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006

>         > 15:25:47 -0600 (CST)

>         >> From: StopTheNRA

>         >> To: frances_morey at yahoo.com

>         >> Subject: Texas: Help Stop Shoot First!

>         >>

>         >> If this email does not display correctly, click here to open it 

>in

>         >> your browser.

>         >> <11665.gif>Stop Shoot First in Texas!

>         >> Sign Our Petition: Deadly Force Should Not Be a First Resort

>         >> Dear Texas StoptheNRA Member,

>         >> As we gear up for the 2007 Texas state legislative session, we 

>wanted

>         >> to take this opportunity to tell you about the dangerous "Shoot

>         >> First" legislation that will be introduced when the legislature

>         >> convenes next month, and our plans to fight it.

>         >> If passed, such a law would make it legal for a gun owner to 

>shoot

>         >> and kill another person even when they could have safely gotten 

>away,

>         >> and even if they are in a public place where innocent people 

>could be

>         >> shot in the crossfire.   The shooter does not have to prove 

>their

>         >> life was in danger, but only that they "reasonably" felt their 

>life

>         >> was threatened.  This new bill would eliminate a citizen's duty 

>to

>         >> avoid the threat, by walking away or seeking refuge in a safe 

>place

>         >> and, instead, allows the gun user to "shoot first" to eliminate 

>the

>         >> threat.

>         >> Click Here to Sign Our Petition to Stop Shoot First in Texas!

>         >> The Shoot First bill, that first became law in Florida in 

>October

>         >> 2005, is so overly broad and expansive that everyday 

>occurrences

>         >> could have deadly consequences for everyone involved -- 

>including

>         >> innocent bystanders, who would have no civil recourse against a

>         >> shooter if they are injured or killed in the crossfire.  

>According to

>         >> a study conducted by the Orlando Sentinel, Shoot First has 

>already

>         >> been used to defend some questionable shootings.

>         >>

>         >> This legislation permits the average citizen to bypass our 

>entire

>         >> justice system by permitting him or her to assume the role of 

>police

>         >> officer, prosecutor, judge, and executioner -- but it doesn't 

>stop

>         >> there -- this bill also protects the shooter from criminal

>         >> prosecution and civil liability!

>         >> You may think this is absurd, but the NRA has already passed 

>this

>         >> bill in 10 states!

>         >> As the legislative session draws nearer, we will be in touch 

>with

>         >> more information about how to stop this dangerous legislation.  

>In

>         >> the meantime, please sign our petition and urge your friends to 

>sign

>         >> up for our alerts so they too can help stop Shoot First in 

>Texas!

>         >> Here's What You Can Do to Keep "Shoot First" Out of Texas:

>         >>> 1. Sign our petition to stop Shoot First in Texas!

>         >>> 2. Forward this e-mail to friends, family, and colleagues in 

>Texas

>         >>> and urge them to sign the petition (you can include a personal 

>note

>         >>> on top).

>         >>> 3. Click here to contribute to our efforts in Texas and across 

>the

>         >>> country.

>         >> For more information on this legislation and how to get 

>involved in

>         >> the gun violence prevention movement in Texas, please contact 

>the

>         >> Texas Million Mom March Chapters of the Brady Campaign.

>         >> Thank you for helping us stop Shoot First in Texas!

>         >>

>         >> Sincerely,

>         >> Your Friends at StoptheNRA.com

>

>

>

>

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