[AGL] FW: pass this to mikey at your peril

Fontaine Maverick fmaverick at austin.rr.com
Sun Oct 29 17:32:37 EST 2006


Mike,
One of the reasons I got back on your list, in spite of our past problems, 
is that I want to hear (read) your words on the subject. I'm relatively 
uninformed on the middle east, but terribly saddened by the apparant 
endlessness of the suffering. I need to feel like I am looking at it from 
all sides.
Fontaine
PS I don't think Ramsey was being threatening - just smartalecky. I guess he 
imagines that you will be offended at the notion of apartheid in Israel.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Eisenstadt" <michaele at ando.pair.com>
To: "survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s" 
<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AGL] FW: pass this to mikey at your peril


> Jon,
>
> Who is he threatening and why does he mention me?
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Ford" <jonmfordster at hotmail.com>
> To: <austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 3:39 PM
> Subject: [AGL] FW: pass this to mikey at your peril
>
>
>> Mike-- I pass this on from Ramsey to illustrate his position on Israel 
>> and
>> Judaism, about which you have previously commented. He certainly is
>> consistent!
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>>From: Ramsey Wiggins <ramseywiggins at AUSTIN.RR.COM>
>>>Reply-To: Remembrances of Austin Ghetto <GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM>
>>>To: GHETTO2 at LISTS.WHATHELPS.COM
>>>Subject: pass this to mikey at your peril
>>>Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:29:21 -0600
>>>
>>>Dems Repudiate Carter Book
>>>
>>>Jennifer Siegel | Fri. Oct 27, 2006
>>>
>>>http://www.forward.com/articles/dems-repudiate-carter-book/
>>>
>>>Top Democrats are rushing to repudiate former President Carter's
>>>controversial new book on the Middle East, in which he accuses the 
>>>Israeli
>>>government of maintaining an apartheid system.
>>>Article tool
>>>
>>>
>>>Two key party leaders - Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard
>>>Dean,
>>>party chairman, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi - and several
>>>congressmen issued statements Monday saying that the book, "Palestine:
>>>Peace
>>>Not Apartheid," does not represent their views on the Jewish state.
>>>
>>>"It is wrong to suggest that the Jewish people would support a government
>>>in
>>>Israel or anywhere else that institutionalizes ethnically based
>>>oppression,
>>>and Democrats reject that allegation vigorously," Pelosi wrote in a
>>>statement. "With all due respect to former President Carter, he does not
>>>speak for the Democratic Party on Israel."
>>>
>>>Carter's book is being published by Simon & Schuster and is slated for
>>>release November 14. In an advanced draft copy of the work, obtained by
>>>the
>>>Forward, the former president asserts that Israel's current policies in
>>>the
>>>Palestinian territories constitute "a system of apartheid, with two
>>>peoples
>>>occupying the same land but completely separated from each other, with
>>>Israelis totally dominant and suppressing violence by depriving
>>>Palestinians
>>>of their basic human rights." He argues that Israel's settlement policy 
>>>is
>>>principally to blame for the failure of peace initiatives in the Middle
>>>East.
>>>
>>>Dean also took issue with Carter's assessment.
>>>
>>>"While I have tremendous respect for former President Carter, I
>>>fundamentally disagree and do not support his analysis of Israel and the
>>>Israeli-Palestinian conflict," Dean wrote in a statement. "On this issue
>>>President Carter speaks for himself, the opinions in his book are his 
>>>own,
>>>they are not the views or position of the Democratic Party. I and other
>>>Democrats will continue to stand with Israel in its battle against
>>>terrorism
>>>and for a lasting peace with its neighbors."
>>>
>>>Several Democratic members of New York's House delegation - Reps. Steve
>>>Israel, Charlie Rangel and Jerrold Nadler - also have issued statements
>>>criticizing Carter's book, as did Rep. John Conyers, Jr., a Michigan
>>>Democrat who is often criticized by members of the Jewish community for
>>>his
>>>failure to support Israel in a certain instance. Last summer, Conyers was
>>>one of eight House members who did not vote for a resolution backing the
>>>Jewish state in the wake of the Hezbollah attacks.
>>>
>>>In his statement, Conyers said that Carter's use of the word "apartheid"
>>>went too far.
>>>
>>>"I cannot agree with the book's title and its implications about
>>>apartheid,"
>>>the lawmaker wrote in a statement. "I recently called the former 
>>>president
>>>to express my concerns about the title of the book, and to request that
>>>the
>>>title be changed."
>>
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