grounds for optimism in the Zionist entity-Palestinian problem

[Wayne Johnson]

Forrest.  I hope so too, but meanwhile there is a lot of "educational" work 
to be done so far as much of the "military personnel" are concerned.

wj
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Subject: Re: grounds for optimism in the Zionist entity-Palestinian problem


> Boy Howdy, am I glad to not be such a Cassandra, whatever that means. 
> Anyway, maybe I'm as corny as Kansas in August, but I'm pleased as punch 
> that silly ole me am cockeyed optimist enough to imagine at least the 
> possibility of there being some light at the end of the 
> rainbow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> And Season's Hopefulness to All!!!!!!!!!
>
>>From: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh@shentel.net>
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>>Well, yes and no, Mike.  Did the sheik deserve to die?  Probably, along 
>>with a major mouthfull of creeps just like him.  Does Israel have the 
>>"right" to defend itself?  Of course it does.  And it can keep on 
>>defending itself until absolutely no life of any kind exists from Damascus 
>>to the Red Sea. What is justifiable may still be a long-term recipe for 
>>disaster.
>>
>>To be clear: there is no "Win-Win" game here as long as everyone thinks 
>>they have the right to kill the other guy.  Does this approbation extend 
>>to the Hamas?  Absofuckinglutely!
>>
>>However, the "rationales" on both sides will simply mean the coffin makers 
>>will enjoy a long and profitable career for generations to come.  No one 
>>will "ever" live in a "peaceful state of mind", no "quiet enjoyment" of 
>>your home, street, neighborhood, kabbutz, shopping center, whatever. 
>>Lose:Lose, all the way into the future.  What jolly good fun for the 
>>makers of new armaments toys, eh?
>>
>>My further useless opinion is that the current Regime squatting in the 
>>White House has a purely "utilitarian" view of the situation.  Let's let 
>>the Israeli's spend their money on arms and the killing fields so the US 
>>doesn't have to.  So accommodating, so useful, so nicely far away. Not to 
>>mention: it's only "ragheads and Jews" what are being killed and maimed 
>>anyway, so who gives a shit.  (Not like they was Methodists or something!)
>>
>>You see, being a "Christian" has soooo many advantages.  Especially when 
>>you are: rich, evil and stupid.  So the US won't do Jack Shit...other than 
>>to provide new killing toys...and the innocents will be killed on both 
>>sides in their mosques and pizza parlors.  This country (with a few 
>>exceptions) really doesn't care about anything but making money and the 
>>mid-East is one of the best "sellers market" in my lifetime.  We can ship 
>>our "designated terrorists" off to Egypt or Jordan or Timbuktu so as to 
>>maintain our aura of "civilized Christian deniability" until we run out of 
>>people to torture. Happily, the Monkey King Regime can now turn to 
>>"Eco-terrorists" to experiment upon.....in Egypt, mind you.
>>
>>Cheers.
>>
>>wgJ
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Eisenstadt" 
>><michaele@hotpop.com>
>>To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 3:11 PM
>>Subject: Re: grounds for optimism in the Zionist entity-Palestinian 
>>problem
>>
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>>>From: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh@shentel.net>
>>>
>>>>Mike.
>>>>
>>>>If I understand one of the "sub-texts" of this message, it would be that
>>>>since Israel and Egypt are cooperating in various "means"  of "attacking
>>>the
>>>>Islamic Fundamentalist Problem" there may be a "positive outcome" from
>>>this
>>>>collaboration.  Right?
>>>
>>>I don't do sub-texts. What you read is what I mean.
>>>
>>>>So, the desire to achieve a good "end"....some kind of long-term
>>>semi-peace
>>>>in the Palestinian firmament therefore justifies the use of whatever
>>>"means"
>>>>seems to be effective, at least temporarily.
>>>
>>>Are you saying that a missile fired from a non-manned drone
>>>targeted on and hitting the crippled sheik in the wheelchair
>>>was something the Israelis should NOT have done?
>>>
>>>If that is your meaning, to me and to most other chosen Peepul,
>>>you are on Cloud 9. You seem to be suggesting some kind
>>>of Ghandian non-resistance to enemies who are killing you.
>>>The sheik was the leader of Hamas. Hamas, dear bubba,
>>>remember them? Those are the folks who do martyr operations
>>>in buses and pizza parlors.
>>>
>>>Your message amounts to saying to the Israelis "dont defend
>>>yourselves, else you are murderers." Easy enough for you to
>>>practice the higher morality living in safety in a peaceful & bucolic
>>>Virginia.
>>>
>>>Regards to Honor,
>>>
>>>Mike
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