Fools rush in...again

[Wayne Johnson]

I agree that our Beloved Fourth Estate has had its collective head up its
commercial arse for the past several years.  A new and entirely appropriate
scatological meaning to the word Imbedded.  As in...up some general's ass.

Meanwhile, I think Igor is an idiot who makes idiotic arguments.  If I was
being shot at and had my buddy's guts in my lap, I would likely kill
everything in sight.  Until the rage subsided.  The Vikings/Celts called it
Bezerker or something similar, the madness of war which overcomes you.

These morons, however, were *not* being shot at.  They were ex-cops,
National Guard MPs and following the entirely illegal arguments of our
"intelligence officers".  How stupid can they or the Intel/G5 people be to
*film* this crap?  How stupid for *their*  so-called "command" not to know
what was going one?  Jeez marie, did any of these people go to the US War
College? Or did they just follow their "kings' lament" as to "who will rid
me of this pesky priest".  Or words to that effect.

When Rummy says the Convention is out the window or "irrelevant", what
message does that send in this day of Instant CNN and Email?  Hey, all
restrictions are off...go have fun?  What is this the fucking Inquisition?
How many years "damage control" will be in place in the rest of the World?
I might like to visit the "rest of the World" someday and I don't want to be
a goddam target because of the persistnet jingoism and moronic blathering of
Bush and his fetid cronies.

And I still think Igor is an idiot.  He can think the same of me.  I don't
give a damn.

Adios.

wayne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerry Storm" <mesmo@gilanet.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Fools rush in...again


> Wayne,
> Your flame on Igor's post misses the point that he is trying to make which
> is: brutal attrocities occur at the front and in the prison camps of every
> war and the media reports on only a small number of them. Abu Ghraib is
not
> a particularly attrocious example of these but par for the course, not on
> the same scale as Andersonville. The media fit over it will do some good
but
> will not stop brutality at the front. Those who are there doing the dirty
> work have no time nor stomach for their critics well behind the front who
> find fault with their methods and actions. When someone is trying to kill
> you and you are seeing your buddies fall, you don't find much solace in
the
> Geneva Convention. Once you pull the trigger it is too late for apologies.
> Brutality happens.
>
> The leaders of the US did not comprehend what they were in for by starting
> this war, without provocation, and they are helpless to do anything now to
> put out the fire. Once you loose those terrible spirits it is all but
> impossible to stop them, a truth the old soldiers can tell you about but
one
> that the fools in the white house did not and apparently do not
comprehend.
> The only way to end it is to leave, and hope that time will heal the
wounds.
>
> It is difficult to know how ugly war is until you walk through the ruins
of
> a country where one has just been fought and see the terrible toll on all
> life forms caught up in the act. This overwhelming sadness is not
> communicable.
> G
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net>
> To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 6:15 AM
> Subject: Fools rush in...again
>
>
> > You know Igor, I frankly don't give a damn about your experiences.
> Nothing
> > you have written that I have seen suggests that you have developed any
> > sensitivity to anything.
> >
> > I have known a lot of Nam vets who learned a great deal about themselves
> and
> > about command decisions and how the government fucks everyone over.
They
> > were/are brave men who cried for their lost comrades and their own lost
> > innocence.  I am proud of them and their contribution for what they
> believed
> > was a just and noble cause.  That I don't agree with their understanding
> in
> > no fashion belittles or demeans their sacrifice.
> >
> > Glad you don't like Halliburton but the rest of your views just depict a
> > mind that is closed and happy to be that way.
> >
> > As for Andersonville, there were many people who despised this situation
> and
> > railed against it.  It was after all "bleeding heart liberals" who were
> the
> > Abolitionist movement.  And the Civil Rights movement after that.  And
the
> > Environmental movement after that.  And the Regime Change movement right
> > now.
> >
> > If you can't understand the broader implications of what is going on
here
> > and in Iraq, then stick to something you can grapple with like Spider
man.
> > And for pity's sake, man, lose those stupid phrases like "bleeding heart
> > liberal".  Makes you sound like more of a red-neck moron than you
probably
> > are.  Find yourself a nice Evangelical Church somewhere and have a good
> roll
> > on the floor.
> >
> > Oh, dear, I have flamed again.  Good.
> >
> > wayne johnson
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "IgorLoving" <lovingigor@earthlink.net>
> > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:06 PM
> > Subject: RE: How did we get to Abu Ghraib?
> >
> >
> > > War is a tarvesty but it has been with us since forever. If you read
> about
> > prisons you will see that they are all bad. Andersonville didn't have a
> > bunch of bleeding heart liberals crying about treatment. The Japanese
> > treated out men like shit at Batan and no one worte stupid whiney stuff
> > about that. Read about John McCain and his experiences in Hanoi and you
> get
> > the idea. I did two tours in Nam and the last one wasn't much fun. So
the
> > babble about our guys kicking ass in the prison is natural stuff. I
don't
> > get too excited about it. Americans are the same as evweryone else and
> that
> > is the was revealed. Hah we are just as much a bunch of ass holes as
> > everyone else we just have the dumb ass media looking over our sholders.
> The
> > French I served with in Angola hated the media. The media told what they
> > were doing. We didn't need media to do the job. The job was to make the
> > world safe for Hailburton and we did it well , sort of.
> > >
> > > ----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frances Morey <frances_morey@excite.com>
> > > Sent: May 20, 2004 12:28 AM
> > > To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > Subject: RE: How did we get to Abu Ghraib?
> > >
> > >
> > > Wayne,
> > > I don't think I have zip file capability on this computer. The last
time
> I
> > tried to open a zip file something wormed into every nook and crany of
the
> > stored files with pop-up-poop-nonsense, some 42 screens of it, which I
had
> > to delete every time I turned on the machine--so I am wary of them. What
> is
> > the attachment, photo or text? Sounds like a road movie, "The Road to
Abu
> > Ghraib," staring Lyndie and her consort.
> > > Frances
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  --- On Wed 05/19, Wayne Johnson < cadaobh@shentel.net > wrote:
> > > From: Wayne Johnson [mailto: cadaobh@shentel.net]
> > > To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > >      Cc: strongjim@yahoo.com
> > > Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:47:48 -0400
> > > Subject: How did we get to Abu Ghraib?
> > >
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