Reverse racism?
Wayne Johnson
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Sun Mar 28 15:52:50 2004
Well, everything is OK, except, of course, for the Irish, who, as we all
know are sub-human!
May the Liffy swallow your shoes!
Paddy O'Bubba McGowen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Ford" <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:00 PM
Subject: Reverse racism?
> Pepi-- Sorry I had a bit of trouble having a "clear read" of your post.
> Maybe you lost credibility to me with the "past lives" stuff. I totally
> believe that this is "mumbo jumbo"--the Buddhist ideas on reincarnation
can
> work as a metaphor for enhancing one's Karma on this earth to avoid coming
> back as a lower form of being in another frame of being, but the literal
> reincarnation in the Bridey Murphy stuff is just the mind working
overtime
> to create fictional personas. Better to go write a novel, or a series of
> them! Thus I couldn't quite believe the other strange aspects of your
> "family story." Well, it's an interesting bit of autobiography, as is the
> part about being raped and then living with black people in part out of
> "reverse racism." I can't really judge your response to your rape-- sounds
> like you were trying to cope in your own way. I hope it worked for you.
But
> did this "reverse racism" really wipe out your anger (I assume you had
some
> negative responses to being raped-- this would seem normal)? My point in
my
> post was that, as Michael E. suggests, a little bit of unconscious
racism
> still hangs around, even if we consciously understand other cultures and
> ethnic groups and even if we do extreme penance to eradicate the feeling
of
> difference. Admitting and coping with such feelings is better than
> repressing and denying them.
>
> Jon
>
>
> >From: Pepi Plowman <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >Subject: Re: let's try to do nuance
> >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:28:50 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Jon,
> >
> >Sorry my posts are ununderstandable to you--in the
> >last one, the stories about being burned in the ovens
> >and being a Buddhist monk are past lifetimes--the part
> >about my sister and I being born in a prison camp in
> >the Philippines and her living in Israel for eight
> >years took place in this lifetime and is no fantasy.
> >
> >Insofar as racism and ethnicism is concerned--it's
> >true, it's available to all, especially if one has no
> >experience of other cultures. I was raped (and so was
> >my little sister, Gayle) by black men and I made it a
> >goal to not become a racist because of it. If
> >anything as regards black people, I am a reverse
> >racist, because I esteem so much about them. I hung
> >out mostly with African Americans when I lived in
> >Berkeley because I felt more comfortable with them.
> >
> >pep
> >--- Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Pepi-- I want you to know that I can read pretty
> > > well and I tried hard to
> > > read your last post, but you are so psychic you
> > > don't seem to know fantasy
> > > from reality. I can't tell which part of your
> > > family's bio is
> > > reincarnation-tales, which is fantasy or weird
> > > family stories somewhat
> > > varnished by time,
> > > which is just sheer crank-talk. But I do know that I
> > > didn't intend to insult
> > > you or call you or your sister a racist in my post
> > > to Mike E. I was talking
> > > in general of such bunk as "Israelis are
> > > reincarnated
> > > Nazis" and where such thoughts evolve from, how they
> > > are related to other
> > > thoughts such a false analogy as "Zionism is
> > > Fascism". I wanted to open the
> > > discussion into a more general sense of illogic and
> > > mental infection by
> > > slogans. On the other hand, the comments Mike
> > > recently made about the
> > > difficulty of total acceptance of people of other
> > > races/cultures rings true.
> > > There is always a trace of "difference" in our
> > > dealings with people of other
> > > cultures and ethnicities; we can suppress these
> > > feelings and try to be
> > > totally one with all the world, but in the long run,
> > > it's better to
> > > acknowledge the little bit of unconscious racism we
> > > all carry around in us.
> > > Acknowledging it won't make it go away, but it may
> > > prevent it from biting us
> > > in the butt or coming back to us inr dreams and
> > > bizarre fantasies about
> > > reincarnation.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > &gt;From: Pepi Plowman &lt;pepstoil@yahoo.com&gt;
> > > &gt;Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > &gt;To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > &gt;Subject: Re: let's try to do nuance
> > > &gt;Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:58:22 -0800 (PST)
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;Mike, this is getting ridiculous! I really
> > > can't
> > > &gt;answer questions that have no basis in any
> > > knowledge
> > > &gt;other than a set-in-stone, vituperative point of
> > > view.
> > > &gt; So rather than answer your questions, I will
> > > tell you
> > > &gt;a little bit about myself and my sisters.
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;First of all, the Plowman girls are all pretty
> > > &gt;consciously psychic. Which is to say, we are
> > > privy to
> > > &gt;circumstances, feelings, vibes, future events,
> > > AND
> > > &gt;past ones, by virtue of staying in touch with
> > > that
> > > &gt;part of ourselves. It can happen in waking life
> > > as
> > > &gt;well as in the dream world. I would think that
> > > &gt;everyone has this same capacity, but most don't
> > > access
> > > &gt;it. With good reason. Sometimes it can be
> > > scary.
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;Two of my sisters, the one in question, as well
> > > as
> > > &gt;another, believe they were burned in the ovens
> > > as Jews
> > > &gt;in their lifetime immediately previous to this
> > > one.
> > > &gt;I, however, was a Buddhist monk, traveling on
> > > the
> > > &gt;Asian island I lived on. We had camped in a
> > > bombed
> > > &gt;out temple for the night. I hated women in that
> > > &gt;lifetime, considering them the lowest of the
> > > low,
> > > &gt;which accounts for my having the sexism problem
> > > I have
> > > &gt;in this lifetime. I perceive myself as a man in
> > > a
> > > &gt;woman's body, but I'm a homosexual man, so I
> > > love men.
> > > &gt; Sounds weird, I know. But anyway, we were
> > > bombed
> > > &gt;again in that temple, and I went skyrocketing up
> > > to
> > > &gt;come down, very ambivalently, I might add, into
> > > my
> > > &gt;mother's womb in the Philippines. My parents
> > > spent
> > > &gt;four years in the Philippines in a Japanese
> > > prison
> > > &gt;camp where both I and my older sister were born.
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;This same older sister emigrated to Israel as a
> > > Jew.
> > > &gt;She lived in Eilat for eight years and taught in
> > > &gt;kubbutzi, speaks Hebrew (I'll be YOU don't!),
> > > had a
> > > &gt;beautiful girl child by an Iraqi Jew whom she
> > > adored.
> > > &gt;I would say, if anything, my sisters are
> > > products of
> > > &gt;my parents' view--having known people from the
> > > world
> > > &gt;over--they love ALL people.
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;My mother lived in Japan for seven years
> > > previous to
> > > &gt;WWII and corresponded after the war with many
> > > Japanese
> > > &gt;friends she had there. She returned in the 80s
> > > to
> > > &gt;Japan to see them again and stayed for two
> > > years.
> > > &gt;This is after having been virtually starved to
> > > death
> > > &gt;by them. They ate slugs fried in cold cream,
> > > &gt;grasshoppers, anything they could get their
> > > hands on.
> > > &gt;My father weighed 75 lbs. when we were
> > > liberated.
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;Hate is too ennervating an emotion to allow
> > > oneself to
> > > &gt;indulge in. I, personally, am estranged from
> > > it,
> > > &gt;thankfully. I may not be thrilled with cops (or
> > > &gt;authority of any kind), but that's just because
> > > I'm a
> > > &gt;hardhead and can't stand people telling me what
> > > to
> > > &gt;do--but hate? I don't think so.
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;Please know that there are a million ways to
> > > skin a
> > > &gt;cat, a million points of view, not one of them
> > > the
> > > &gt;&quot;truth&quot;, except to the person who
> > > perceives them.
> > > &gt;Your truth is yours and you're entitled to it.
> > > My
> > > &gt;truth is mine and I'm entitled to it. You can
> > > call it
> > > &gt;what you like, I can call yours what I like, but
> > > will
> > > &gt;that really change anything or make any kind of
> > > &gt;difference? I think not. Rather than engage in
> > > a
> > > &gt;useless badinage, let's just be who we are and
> > > allow
> > > &gt;others the same.
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;But may you not hate too much, it's bad for the
> > > soul
> > > &gt;(I know, you don't believe in its existence.
> > > Oh,
> > > &gt;well, so be it).
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;Pepi
> > > &gt;--- Michael Eisenstadt
> > > &lt;michaele@ando.pair.com&gt; wrote:
> > > &gt; &gt; Pepi wrote:
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &gt; Jon and Mike,
> > > &gt; &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &gt; Think what you like. It's obvious
> > > you can't read.
> > > &gt; &gt; I
> > > &gt; &gt; &gt; NEVER said that Israelis are reborn
> > > Nazis--my
> > > &gt; &gt; SISTER
> > > &gt; &gt; &gt; did.
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; Then your sister is a good hater. Are you
> > > proud of
> > > &gt; &gt; her?
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; Did you quote her because you didn't agree
> > > with the
> > > &gt; &gt; thought?
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; Or did you quote her because you did
> > > agree?
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; In one of your posts you asked me how do I
> > > know the
> > > &gt; &gt; Israelis are not reborn Nazis. What were
> > > you getting
> > > &gt; &gt; at?
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > >
> >=== message truncated ===
> >
> >
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