Reverse racism?

[Jon Ford]

Pepi-- Sorry I had a bit of trouble having a "clear read" of your post. 
Maybe you lost  credibility to me with the "past lives"  stuff. I totally 
believe that this is "mumbo jumbo"--the Buddhist ideas on reincarnation can 
work as a metaphor for enhancing one's Karma on this earth to avoid coming 
back as a lower form of being in another frame of being, but the literal 
reincarnation in the  Bridey Murphy stuff is just the mind working overtime 
to create fictional personas. Better to go write a novel, or a series of 
them!  Thus  I couldn't quite believe the other strange aspects of your 
"family story." Well, it's  an interesting bit of autobiography, as is the 
part about being raped and then living with black people in part  out of 
"reverse racism." I can't really judge your response to your rape-- sounds 
like you were trying to cope in your own way. I hope it worked for you. But 
did this  "reverse racism" really wipe out your anger (I assume you had some 
negative responses to being raped-- this would seem normal)? My point in my 
post was  that, as Michael E. suggests,  a little bit of unconscious racism 
still hangs around, even if  we consciously understand other cultures and 
ethnic groups and even if we do  extreme penance to eradicate the feeling of 
difference. Admitting and coping with such feelings is better than 
repressing  and denying them.

Jon


>From: Pepi Plowman <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
>To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
>Subject: Re: let's try to do nuance
>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:28:50 -0800 (PST)
>
>Jon,
>
>Sorry my posts are ununderstandable to you--in the
>last one, the stories about being burned in the ovens
>and being a Buddhist monk are past lifetimes--the part
>about my sister and I being born in a prison camp in
>the Philippines and her living in Israel for eight
>years took place in this lifetime and is no fantasy.
>
>Insofar as racism and ethnicism is concerned--it's
>true, it's available to all, especially if one has no
>experience of other cultures.  I was raped (and so was
>my little sister, Gayle) by black men and I made it a
>goal to not become a racist because of it.  If
>anything as regards black people, I am a reverse
>racist, because I esteem so much about them.  I hung
>out mostly with African Americans when I lived in
>Berkeley because I felt more comfortable with them.
>
>pep
>--- Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Pepi-- I want you to know that I can read pretty
> > well and I tried hard to
> > read your last post, but you are so psychic you
> > don't seem to know fantasy
> > from reality. I can't tell which part of your
> > family's bio is
> > reincarnation-tales, which is fantasy or weird
> > family stories somewhat
> > varnished by time,
> > which is just sheer crank-talk. But I do know that I
> > didn't intend to insult
> > you or call you or your sister a racist  in my post
> > to Mike E. I was talking
> > in general of such bunk as "Israelis are
> > reincarnated
> > Nazis" and where such thoughts evolve from, how they
> > are related to other
> > thoughts such a false analogy as "Zionism is
> > Fascism". I wanted to open the
> > discussion into a more general sense of illogic and
> > mental infection by
> > slogans. On the other hand, the comments Mike
> > recently  made about the
> > difficulty of total acceptance of people of other
> > races/cultures rings true.
> > There is always a trace of "difference" in our
> > dealings with people of other
> > cultures and ethnicities; we can suppress these
> > feelings and try to be
> > totally one with all the world, but in the long run,
> > it's better to
> > acknowledge the little bit of unconscious racism we
> > all carry around in us.
> > Acknowledging it won't make it go away, but it may
> > prevent it from biting us
> > in the butt or coming back to us inr dreams and
> > bizarre fantasies about
> > reincarnation.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > >From: Pepi Plowman <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > >Subject: Re: let's try to do nuance
> > >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:58:22 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >Mike, this is getting ridiculous!  I really
> > can't
> > >answer questions that have no basis in any
> > knowledge
> > >other than a set-in-stone, vituperative point of
> > view.
> > >  So rather than answer your questions, I will
> > tell you
> > >a little bit about myself and my sisters.
> > >
> > >First of all, the Plowman girls are all pretty
> > >consciously psychic.  Which is to say, we are
> > privy to
> > >circumstances, feelings, vibes, future events,
> > AND
> > >past ones, by virtue of staying in touch with
> > that
> > >part of ourselves.  It can happen in waking life
> > as
> > >well as in the dream world.  I would think that
> > >everyone has this same capacity, but most don't
> > access
> > >it.  With good reason.  Sometimes it can be
> > scary.
> > >
> > >Two of my sisters, the one in question, as well
> > as
> > >another, believe they were burned in the ovens
> > as Jews
> > >in their lifetime immediately previous to this
> > one.
> > >I, however, was a Buddhist monk, traveling on
> > the
> > >Asian island I lived on.  We had camped in a
> > bombed
> > >out temple for the night.  I hated women in that
> > >lifetime, considering them the lowest of the
> > low,
> > >which accounts for my having the sexism problem
> > I have
> > >in this lifetime.  I perceive myself as a man in
> > a
> > >woman's body, but I'm a homosexual man, so I
> > love men.
> > >  Sounds weird, I know.  But anyway, we were
> > bombed
> > >again in that temple, and I went skyrocketing up
> > to
> > >come down, very ambivalently, I might add, into
> > my
> > >mother's womb in the Philippines.  My parents
> > spent
> > >four years in the Philippines in a Japanese
> > prison
> > >camp where both I and my older sister were born.
> > >
> > >This same older sister emigrated to Israel as a
> > Jew.
> > >She lived in Eilat for eight years and taught in
> > >kubbutzi, speaks Hebrew (I'll be YOU don't!),
> > had a
> > >beautiful girl child by an Iraqi Jew whom she
> > adored.
> > >I would say, if anything, my sisters are
> > products of
> > >my parents' view--having known people from the
> > world
> > >over--they love ALL people.
> > >
> > >My mother lived in Japan for seven years
> > previous to
> > >WWII and corresponded after the war with many
> > Japanese
> > >friends she had there.  She returned in the 80s
> > to
> > >Japan to see them again and stayed for two
> > years.
> > >This is after having been virtually starved to
> > death
> > >by them.  They ate slugs fried in cold cream,
> > >grasshoppers, anything they could get their
> > hands on.
> > >My father weighed 75 lbs. when we were
> > liberated.
> > >
> > >Hate is too ennervating an emotion to allow
> > oneself to
> > >indulge in.  I, personally, am estranged from
> > it,
> > >thankfully.  I may not be thrilled with cops (or
> > >authority of any kind), but that's just because
> > I'm a
> > >hardhead and can't stand people telling me what
> > to
> > >do--but hate? I don't think so.
> > >
> > >Please know that there are a million ways to
> > skin a
> > >cat, a million points of view, not one of them
> > the
> > >"truth", except to the person who
> > perceives them.
> > >Your truth is yours and you're entitled to it.
> > My
> > >truth is mine and I'm entitled to it.  You can
> > call it
> > >what you like, I can call yours what I like, but
> > will
> > >that really change anything or make any kind of
> > >difference? I think not.  Rather than engage in
> > a
> > >useless badinage, let's just be who we are and
> > allow
> > >others the same.
> > >
> > >But may you not hate too much, it's bad for the
> > soul
> > >(I know, you don't believe in its existence.
> > Oh,
> > >well, so be it).
> > >
> > >Pepi
> > >--- Michael Eisenstadt
> > <michaele@ando.pair.com> wrote:
> > > > Pepi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Jon and Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > Think what you like.  It's obvious
> > you can't read.
> > > >  I
> > > > > NEVER said that Israelis are reborn
> > Nazis--my
> > > > SISTER
> > > > > did.
> > > >
> > > > Then your sister is a good hater. Are you
> > proud of
> > > > her?
> > > >
> > > > Did you quote her because you didn't agree
> > with the
> > > > thought?
> > > >
> > > > Or did you quote her because you did
> > agree?
> > > >
> > > > In one of your posts you asked me how do I
> > know the
> > > > Israelis are not reborn Nazis. What were
> > you getting
> > > > at?
> > > >
> >
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>
>
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