[Austin-ghetto-list] Re: Position of women in Afghanistan
JIM BALDAUF
jfbaldauf@prodigy.net
Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:46:15 -0500
Jon says:
>Anyway, the big clean-out was her idea<
I rest my case!
Them Talibans may not be perfect, but they do
intall a real good work ethic in they womens.
jb
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>
To: <jfbaldauf@prodigy.net>; <frances_morey@excite.com>;
<michaele@ando.pair.com>; <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Austin-ghetto-list] Re: Position of women in Afghanistan
> Osama bin Baldauf-- better me than welfare--these are Calworks students!
The
> feds pay 'em. Don't tell Bush about it-- we'd get investigated for
> "harboring suspected terrorists on the taxpayer's dollar"! Anyway, the big
> clean-out was her idea-- I just made a couple of suggestions, and voila!
> More got done than I had dreamed of.American students, in contrast, only
do
> exactly what you tell them to do, and whenever possible, they take a loaf
> break.
>
> Jon
>
>
> >From: "JIM BALDAUF" <jfbaldauf@prodigy.net>
> >To: "Jon Ford" <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>, <frances_morey@excite.com>,
> ><michaele@ando.pair.com>, <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> >Subject: Re: [Austin-ghetto-list] Re: Position of women in Afghanistan
> >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:44:26 -0500
> >
> >It was written:
> >
> > >My Afghani assistant ... recruited her husband and son to help clean
out
> >the lab<
> >
> >But all worked for Mullah Jon!
> >
> >Cordially,
> >Osama bin baldauf
> >"You are always welcome in my Father's tent."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>
> >To: <frances_morey@excite.com>; <michaele@ando.pair.com>;
> ><austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> >Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:56 PM
> >Subject: [Austin-ghetto-list] Re: Position of women in Afghanistan
> >
> >
> > > (woops--my computer took over and sent this too soon!
> > > The oppression of Afghani women is horrific, and they can be killed
for
> >the
> > > slightest infraction of the code of modesty and obedience. I know many
> > > Afghani women, and have hired several to work with me in my labs. They
> >all
> > > put female oppresion high on their list for not wanting to return to
> > > Afghanistan. NONE wear veils or big tent-like black garments. In
> >traditional
> > > Muslim societies, women can be forceful figures. My Afghani assistant
> >last
> > > semester recruited her husband and son to help clean out the lab,
> >redecorate
> > > the walls, and haul out old computer manuals. The guys were obedient
and
> > > humble under the direction of Mom!
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > >From: Frances Morey <frances_morey@excite.com>
> > > >Reply-To: <frances_morey@excite.com>
> > > >To: Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>, michaele@ando.pair.com,
> > > >austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > >Subject: Re: [Austin-ghetto-list] Somber Reading
> > > >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >I certainly agree with this. Yet in Afganistan the ONLY industry is
war
> >and
> > > >conflict. The terrorism, if it works the way they wanted, is to
provoke
> >us
> > > >into war, a patriotic act from their point of view. The madness of
the
> > > >Taliban leaders, intrestingly no individual has come to the fore to
be
> > > >considered the head of it, is in their unwillingness to allow women
to
> >show
> > > >themselves, much less influence their socitey. Women must be
silenced!
> > > >Women
> > > >must hide their humanity! Women must starve if they cannot find some
> >man
> >to
> > > >support and feed them--they must not allowed to work! These things
are
> >far
> > > >more insane and are indemic to the problem of their male-war-madness.
> > > >Frances
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 11:32:08 -0700, Jon Ford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Normal, sane reasoning would be on Mike's side here--but life is
> > > >neither
> > > > > normal nor sane in the Middle East. Take an angry Arab, Afghani,
> > > > > Palestinian,or Pakestani kid, maybe living in a relocation camp,
> >very
> > > >pious
> > > > > Muslim, with zero chances of ever making it to America (no rich
> >cousin
> > > >in
> > > >
> > > > > California) or even affording cologne or a nice tight suit and
good
> > > >shoes,
> > > > > and offer him several years of education in Germany and flight
> >school
> > > >in
> > > > > Florida, nice expense account, etc., in return for dying for
Allah
> >at
> >a
> > > > > certain point, and I believe there would be quite a few takers!
> >What's
> > > >the
> > > > > alternative? 20 years of unemployment in a relocation camp?
> >Picking
> > > >through
> > > > > garbage?
> > > > >
> > > > > JOn
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Michael Eisenstadt <michaele@ando.pair.com>
> > > > > >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [Austin-ghetto-list] Somber Reading
> > > > > >Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 09:53:25 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >yeah the eau de cologne and the clean tight clothes.
> > > > > >there will always be a irreducible number of wackos
> > > > > >but it is a small number. remember, the Arab is just
> > > > > >like everybody else, the call of Disney land and
> > > > > >living in Southern California where many Arabs
> > > > > >have a cousin is for sure going to be more
> > > > > >appealing than this
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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