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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi,<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">All the other genres will rotate themes.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I'd like to see the retro genre rotate themes in the same way, and I'm ok with that subject matter being sometimes classical retro, sometimes PG, sometimes fairy retro. It would be good to learn more about these spaces. It's not really about winning.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">KEY:<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I would like to see the following as a reply here:<br>(1) Who made the decision that we must stick to proof games again this year.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">(2) A written form of that decision.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">(3) A explanation of why this decision has been made.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I am CCing Marjan here, and hope he can ensure a reply is forthcoming.<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Andrew<br></div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, January 27, 2025 at 07:38:07 PM GMT+8, joose norri <joose_norri@hotmail.com> wrote:
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I correct myself: defensive retractors are not pure retros. At least it can be seen that way, although as we know the best ones have retro refutations, and one can also argue about help retractors. But illegal clusters are - and so is the legal cluster. (Not
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Dear Andriy, hi all,</div>
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I would just point out that the retro field is much wider than that, also purely orthodoxically. Illegal clusters, help retractors, defensive retractors, many other things, they are fully orthodox.</div>
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I remember your articles with Kornilov; I disagree to some extent, because it seemed to me that you put too much emphasis on numerical achievement. But that is exactly the point on the other hand: the retro field is simply too big. As a retro fan I am not so
sure whether it was a wise decision to have the section after all.</div>
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It being a tourney among nation-teams, if there was a classical retro theme then not many countries could find composers with any experience. I'm all for it; it could serve as an incentive. But potentially it might be very barren.</div>
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Then, it is conceivably possible to formulate a retro theme and leave it open in which genre it is to be expressed. That would naturally be a catastrophe. No one on Earth can compare all those things, perhaps Michel can...</div>
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Best,</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Retros] Solicitation for themes for WCCT-12 Section H</div>
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<span style="font-family:New serif;">Dear Joose, deal all,</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:New serif;">Classical-style retros dominated the scene until the end of the 1980s; then a PG boom began; some 10 years later, fairy retros came to prominence. Kornilov and I published two articles in
<i>feenschach</i> in the mid-2000s trying to encourage colleagues to prevent the decline of the classical-style domain, but the trend towards a retro section almost devoid of “classicism” could not be reversed.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:New serif;">To me, and I am sure to quite a few other retro friends, classical style was a very special kind of problems engulfed in the magic of OTB chess. I don’t think composers like Plaksin, Kornilov, Hazebrouck
or me would have become retro analysts if retrograde analysis had been associated at that time almost exclusively with e.g. Anti-Circe retractors.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:New serif;">Kornilov and I wrote 20 years ago that in some cases judging classical-style retros alongside of fairy retros is like judging a runner and a motorcyclist as to whose speed is highest.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:New serif;">But of course having three subsections for retros: a) classical style; b) PGs; c) fairy retros would require having at least 9 judges (3*3) and that is unrealistic.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:New serif;">However, classical-style retroanalysis is far from exhaustion, as proven many times by composers like Dmitry Baibikov, Joaquim Crusats, Michel Caillaud and some others. I fully agree with Andrew:</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:New serif;"><i>retro is the home for retros - let's keep like that.</i></span></p>
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<div style="direction:ltr;">вс, 26 янв. 2025 г. в 04:36, andrew buchanan <<a shape="rect" id="ydp9299875ayiv0408272583OWA87d7c1aa-ae52-6a11-93c3-ab5f730ccf0d" href="mailto:andrew@anselan.com" class="ydp9299875ayiv0408272583x_OWAAutoLink" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">andrew@anselan.com</a>>:</div>
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I can understand that today PGs dominate some retro spaces. But in the long term, non-PG retros may come to prominence again, or new forms of non-PG retro may be imagined. Conceptually, retro is the home for retros - let's keep like that.</div>
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So my strong preference would be to keep Section H as retro, please, even though the chosen theme this year is almost certain to be PG.</div>
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On Sunday, January 26, 2025 at 01:44:31 AM GMT+8, joose norri <<a shape="rect" id="ydp9299875ayiv0408272583OWA27820d85-04e6-4a17-9cd8-40cce0efec0b" href="mailto:joose_norri@hotmail.com" class="ydp9299875ayiv0408272583x_OWAAutoLink" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">joose_norri@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Dear all,</div>
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Outside the topic of this post, well slightly, it's really the time to make it plainly a PG section. There is no sense in pretending anymore.</div>
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This, not being an official platform, I'll just put this forward. But naturally it could be put forward elsewhere too. If it is really wanted that it is a retro section, then this should be taken under serious consideration; or else it should be admitted that
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<b>Subject:</b> [Retros] Solicitation for themes for WCCT-12 Section H</div>
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<span>Dear friends,</span></p>
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<span>At present, efforts are underway to launch WCCT-12 as soon as possible. Apparently, Valery Kopyl will be (or has already been) approved as WCCT-12 Director. To the best of my knowledge, the teams of the Russian Federation
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<span>I’ve been asked to solicit proposals for Section H themes, to be followed by voting on the choice of one theme.</span></p>
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<span>So far, only one proposal has been received, from Romania.</span></p>
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<span>I’ve sent a solicitation for themes for Section H to almost 20 addresses, but I believe it makes sense to repeat this solicitation here as well. So if you have for Section H themes, please send them to me (preferably
with at least one example). A possible deadline could be January 31.</span></p>
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<span>This will be followed by voting.</span></p>
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<span>Presumably, a PG theme will again be selected, as there seem to be not enough countries where composers publish high-quality classical-style retros. Moreover, although fairy retractors are abundant these days, there are
not many countries where such problems are created. But there is no ban on proposing any sort of retro themes.</span></p>
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