[R129 SL] RE: R129LIST Digest, Vol 21, Issue 7

[jan kuylaars]

Peter Cowie.
Your mechanic has say the first time the right thing.
You must operate the wiper till it is the upright position and the turn off 
the ignition key.
Pull off the plastic cover on the wiper and now the whole arm is out of the 
wiperbody.
Lubricate now the chroom wiperarm.

When the arm is not lubricated, and it will turn itselfs clamped in dust, 
the motor wil stop and take some amps of current . On that moment the 
voltage will dropp and CAN give your mentioned problems.


Greg,
Strange that the vents are changing, then you must have a full automatic 
climat control.
The only time this will change is when you choose for quick removing off fog 
on the inside windshield . So maybe you must look in that direction. Then 
when the airco is shutting down it is normal that you can hear the relai is 
working. When the airco comes up because the temperature is going up, the 
compressor must do a hard time of labor, and will let the engine rpm slow 
down. That is normal, but at the same time the A/C electronic sends a pulse 
to the engine electronic to higher the stationair rpm. So you notice this as 
an short interval of the engine rpm. If the signal is not send to the engine 
electronic , and you stationary rpm is low, say 4000 rpm, your engine can 
die.
Starting again is offcourse no problem

Dave: When i have time i will look into the ADS manual, maybe I can find 
something, maybe not.
My car has no ADS, but for sure i know that after some years the cable's 
which are going down for
A: thickness of barakepads
B: sensor off driving for ABS
C: control off ADS
Become broken in the lower part where they are clipped on the front 
shockabsorbers.
Mine cable's ware gone, everytime when i stopped for a traffic light, the 
ABS come in for the last 50 inches. Very nasty. When normal driving. no 
problem.
When braking , the nose off the car is coming down , esspacely at the end 
off the track, so the cable's been folding a bit. On that moment the cupper 
wire inside will reject contact, so the ABS conrolunit  did not receive a 
signal anymore and is thinking one wheel is blocked, so the ABS come's up. 
After replacing the cables myself, the problem was solved. The you must know 
that maybe the same problem is in your car. You can mesure the cable's with 
a resistance mesure equipment. It should be 2 ohm or less. For the 129 they 
ask a lot off money, even in the second hand part shop, but nice to know is 
that the cable's for the W124 S class are the same, only with an other clip 
on the shockabsorbers. But if you cable's are broken, you can cut the clip 
on one place where it is around the cable and take it off the old cable's , 
clipping on the W 124 one's . MAke the cut as close as possible on the clip 
side.

Deneal:

IT is depending on what program you got, the MB USA original burned on dvd 
needs the dvd in the drive. I tried to let it go on the harddisk. It wil 
work on the harddisk, but you have no plugin, so you cannot open the PDF 
file's. They are password protected. If you know the password it is also ok, 
but it is for me not done in to figure this out. May be if some real 
computer neard looks to the files ha can make a solution for working on the 
Hdd without the passwords or the plug in.
For sure , if you use the dvd drive, our official dvd is working.

Jan .

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>    1. MB Setrvice dvd (Deneal Schilmeister (Portege))
>    2. Re: MB Setrvice dvd (Phil Carbone)
>    3. Service DVD'S  (Phil Carbone)
>    4. Re: R129 service DVD and Hydraulic problems (Lowanover at aol.com)
>    5. Re: Re: R129 service DVD and Hydraulic problems
>       (Jonathan Whitehead)
>    6. Re: 98 SL500 Electrical Gremlins (gregorio at weststargroup.net)
>    7. Re: 98 SL500 Electrical Gremlins (Jonathan Whitehead)
>    8. Help-- Please Unsubscribe  (BKYachts at aol.com)
>    9. read it immediately (samshentontan at aol.com)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:25:57 -0500
>From: "Deneal Schilmeister \(Portege\)" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [R129 SL] MB Setrvice dvd
>To: <jan at rian-bv.nl>,	"'SL Mailing List'" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <002201c6db1d$9af72320$7601a8c0 at PORTEGE>
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>Thank you Flying Dutchman!
>Can any second that opinion?
>Is the only answer to buy a DVD player for my PC computer?
>
>Everyone seems to have their own take on this.  Someone else said it would
>run ok from the hard drive.
>
>___________________________
>Deneal Schilmeister
>St. Louis - Cincinnati
>1997 SL500
>http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jan Kuylaars
>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:49 AM
>
>To daniel schilmeister.
>
>Daniel, you cannot use the dvd directley from you harddisk, ore you must
>also have always the original ( copied) dvd into the drive. That's
>because the craked file on your hdd let the arcobatreader on the disk do
>the job. In that version the plugin is used and you don't need the
>passwords.
>
>So the best is to burn a dvd with the files on your Hdd and use the
>program directley from the DVD
>
>Flying dutchmen
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:47:38 -0500
>From: "Phil Carbone" <philcarbone55 at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] MB Setrvice dvd
>To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <004e01c6db29$02341e70$218c0e18 at userbed8ce6610>
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>Go to www.books4cars.com. They have all kinds of service manuals for your
>needs.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals at sbcglobal.net>
>To: <jan at rian-bv.nl>; "'SL Mailing List'" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:25 AM
>Subject: [R129 SL] MB Setrvice dvd
>
>
> > Thank you Flying Dutchman!
> > Can any second that opinion?
> > Is the only answer to buy a DVD player for my PC computer?
> >
> > Everyone seems to have their own take on this.  Someone else said it 
>would
> > run ok from the hard drive.
> >
> > ___________________________
> > Deneal Schilmeister
> > St. Louis - Cincinnati
> > 1997 SL500
> > http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jan Kuylaars
> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:49 AM
> >
> > To daniel schilmeister.
> >
> > Daniel, you cannot use the dvd directley from you harddisk, ore you must
> > also have always the original ( copied) dvd into the drive. That's
> > because the craked file on your hdd let the arcobatreader on the disk do
> > the job. In that version the plugin is used and you don't need the
> > passwords.
> >
> > So the best is to burn a dvd with the files on your Hdd and use the
> > program directley from the DVD
> >
> > Flying dutchmen
> >
> >
> >
> > The MB Coupes Website!
> > R129 SL Mailing List
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:52:01 -0500
>From: "Phil Carbone" <philcarbone55 at comcast.net>
>Subject: [R129 SL] Service DVD'S
>To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <009401c6db29$9e824f40$218c0e18 at userbed8ce6610>
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>Go to www.books4cars.com. They carry the traditional paper service manuals.
>
>Phil Carbone
>1992 500SL
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>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:27:18 EDT
>From: Lowanover at aol.com
>Subject: [R129 SL] Re: R129 service DVD and Hydraulic problems
>To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
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>Hi Jan,
>I also have the factory R129 dvd which in an earlier post I offered copies
>to anyone who has experienced ADS (adaptive Damping System) problems. I 
>would
>extend that offer to those that have had experience with the hydraulic self
>leveling suspension, as that may be the culprit. It is a complicated 
>system,
>that is difficult to troubleshoot. The dvd does have quite a lot on it, but 
>I
>have not been able to fix it yet. The dealers solution is to keep replacing
>parts until it works.
>
>This system is standard on the SL600, but my understanding is that was also
>available on the Sl500. I have replaced the accumulators and there are no
>leaks,  everything seems to work, but there is a loud hydraulic "squealing" 
>noise
>when I  start it up that sounds like the system is pressurizing. After a 
>short
>while it  changes in intensity and pitch and goes away. sometimes I hear it
>doing this  while driving. Is this normal? Any experiences would be very 
>much
>appreciated.
>
>As someone who has bought a number of workshop cd's off eBay, I would also
>add a word of caution....most are useless. I also have the original factory
>W124  cd's (2) which are also very good. But the rest were a waste of  
>money.
>
>Dave
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>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:32:05 -0400
>From: "Jonathan Whitehead" <JBGoodee at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] Re: R129 service DVD and Hydraulic problems
>To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV9AC416C6BE3A97035CC10CE2D0 at phx.gbl>
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>Hi Dave,
>I have a '93 300SL which also has the hydraulic  suspension.  I have had no 
>proble with it yet but I understand the solutions  can be quite pricey.
>Jon Whitehead, Concord, NH
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Lowanover at aol.com<mailto:Lowanover at aol.com>
>   To: r129list at mbcoupes.com<mailto:r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>   Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:27 AM
>   Subject: [R129 SL] Re: R129 service DVD and Hydraulic problems
>
>
>   Hi Jan,
>   I also have the factory R129 dvd which in an earlier post I offered 
>copies to anyone who has experienced ADS (adaptive Damping System) 
>problems. I would extend that offer to those that have had experience with 
>the hydraulic self leveling suspension, as that may be the culprit. It is a 
>complicated system, that is difficult to troubleshoot. The dvd does have 
>quite a lot on it, but I have not been able to fix it yet. The dealers 
>solution is to keep replacing parts until it works.
>
>   This system is standard on the SL600, but my understanding is that was 
>also available on the Sl500. I have replaced the accumulators and there are 
>no leaks, everything seems to work, but there is a loud hydraulic 
>"squealing" noise when I start it up that sounds like the system is 
>pressurizing. After a short while it changes in intensity and pitch and 
>goes away. sometimes I hear it doing this while driving. Is this normal? 
>Any experiences would be very much appreciated.
>
>   As someone who has bought a number of workshop cd's off eBay, I would 
>also add a word of caution....most are useless. I also have the original 
>factory W124 cd's (2) which are also very good. But the rest were a waste 
>of money.
>
>   Dave
>   The MB Coupes Website!
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>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:04:10 -0700
>From: <gregorio at weststargroup.net>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] 98 SL500 Electrical Gremlins
>To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
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>Peter;
>
>I've recently noticed some electrical Gremlins myself on my 1991 500 SL, 
>that I am trying to track down.  My local MBZ mechanic was left scratching 
>his head on this one.  While motoring down the road with the A/C on, the 
>will suddenly stop air from coming through the front vents and will then go 
>out the top vents, then back again. Other times, I'll get a clicking noise 
>where the A/C will go off altogether and then turn back on, in some 
>instances, the car will die, but can be started right back up.
>
>Any of you SL guys have a similar problem I'd love to hear about it!
>
>Thanks,
>Greg
>West Hills, CA
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Peter Cowie
>   To: r129list at mbcoupes.com
>   Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:06 PM
>   Subject: [R129 SL] 98 SL500 Electrical Gremlins
>
>
>   A few weeks ago the windscreen washer on my 98 Sl 500 (49000km) was a 
>very lazy squirt, the wiper was very sluggish for about 1/4 of the screen 
>and then everything was OK
>
>   Last weekend it did the same thing only the wiper stopped at the 2 0 
>clock position, the washer didn't work and the SRS light was feebly alight.
>
>   Stopping the car and turning the ignition off solved the problem.
>
>   Same thing happened today only turning things off didn't fix the problem 
>and, addition to the earlier problems the turn indicator only operated the 
>left side lights. That's right, using the indicator stalk to turn right 
>operated the left indicators. The left worked OK.
>
>   As the SRS light issue is a likely safety issue I had it checked by the 
>local dealer at lunch today.
>
>   Their first suggestion was that the wiper mechanism needed lubrication 
>(bit of a worry aren't they)
>
>   A bit of pressure had them put it on their diagnostic computer and that 
>revealed an over or under voltage error on the SRS system and that they 
>felt that the voltage regulator in the alternator needed replacing as it 
>was charging at 14V (should be 13.7... I would have thought that it could 
>handle an error of 2%)
>
>   They also recommended replacing the combination indicator/ wiper switch 
>on the steering column.
>
>   Although both the problems happening at the same time twice seemed a bit 
>of a coincidence I ordered the voltage regulator and said we would try that 
>first.
>
>   After driving back to work and thinking it over I thought I would try 
>the other combination switch functions and flashed the headlights.
>
>   The wiper came to life and parked itself, the SRS light went out and the 
>washer and indicators work perfectly again.
>
>   Amazing!
>
>   Has anyone got any clues as to how all of those problems are related and 
>how I should go about stopping a recurrence
>
>
>   Thanks very much,
>
>   Peter Cowie
>   Sydney, Australia
>
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>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:31:52 -0400
>From: "Jonathan Whitehead" <JBGoodee at msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [R129 SL] 98 SL500 Electrical Gremlins
>To: "SL Mailing List" <r129list at mbcoupes.com>
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>YES!  When the auto temp is set at about the outside temp, the heat and AC 
>will come on and off because the sensor does not know which directive to 
>do.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: gregorio at weststargroup.net<mailto:gregorio at weststargroup.net>
>   To: SL Mailing List<mailto:r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>   Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:04 PM
>   Subject: Re: [R129 SL] 98 SL500 Electrical Gremlins
>
>
>   Peter;
>
>   I've recently noticed some electrical Gremlins myself on my 1991 500 SL, 
>that I am trying to track down.  My local MBZ mechanic was left scratching 
>his head on this one.  While motoring down the road with the A/C on, the 
>will suddenly stop air from coming through the front vents and will then go 
>out the top vents, then back again. Other times, I'll get a clicking noise 
>where the A/C will go off altogether and then turn back on, in some 
>instances, the car will die, but can be started right back up.
>
>   Any of you SL guys have a similar problem I'd love to hear about it!
>
>   Thanks,
>   Greg
>   West Hills, CA
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Peter Cowie<mailto:cowie at bigpond.net.au>
>     To: r129list at mbcoupes.com<mailto:r129list at mbcoupes.com>
>     Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:06 PM
>     Subject: [R129 SL] 98 SL500 Electrical Gremlins
>
>
>     A few weeks ago the windscreen washer on my 98 Sl 500 (49000km) was a 
>very lazy squirt, the wiper was very sluggish for about 1/4 of the screen 
>and then everything was OK
>
>     Last weekend it did the same thing only the wiper stopped at the 2 0 
>clock position, the washer didn't work and the SRS light was feebly alight.
>
>     Stopping the car and turning the ignition off solved the problem.
>
>     Same thing happened today only turning things off didn't fix the 
>problem and, addition to the earlier problems the turn indicator only 
>operated the left side lights. That's right, using the indicator stalk to 
>turn right operated the left indicators. The left worked OK.
>
>     As the SRS light issue is a likely safety issue I had it checked by 
>the local dealer at lunch today.
>
>     Their first suggestion was that the wiper mechanism needed lubrication 
>(bit of a worry aren't they)
>
>     A bit of pressure had them put it on their diagnostic computer and 
>that revealed an over or under voltage error on the SRS system and that 
>they felt that the voltage regulator in the alternator needed replacing as 
>it was charging at 14V (should be 13.7... I would have thought that it 
>could handle an error of 2%)
>
>     They also recommended replacing the combination indicator/ wiper 
>switch on the steering column.
>
>     Although both the problems happening at the same time twice seemed a 
>bit of a coincidence I ordered the voltage regulator and said we would try 
>that first.
>
>     After driving back to work and thinking it over I thought I would try 
>the other combination switch functions and flashed the headlights.
>
>     The wiper came to life and parked itself, the SRS light went out and 
>the washer and indicators work perfectly again.
>
>     Amazing!
>
>     Has anyone got any clues as to how all of those problems are related 
>and how I should go about stopping a recurrence
>
>
>     Thanks very much,
>
>     Peter Cowie
>     Sydney, Australia
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:12:03 EDT
>From: BKYachts at aol.com
>Subject: [R129 SL] Help-- Please Unsubscribe
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>I haVE SOLD MY 129 PLEASE TAKE ME OFF YOUR LIST,  mANY tHANKS--  Bob
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>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:09:10 +0200
>From: samshentontan at aol.com
>Subject: [R129 SL] read it immediately
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