[R129 SL] RE: R129LIST Digest, Vol 9, Issue 14

Tue Aug 9 08:17:35 EDT 2005

-----Original Message-----
From: william hughes [mailto:jennianenterprises at verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:49 PM
To: jan at rian-bv.nl
Subject: Re: R129LIST Digest, Vol 9, Issue 14

jan,
thanks for all your help - it was just a blown fuse
working fine now
regards,
bill

Jan Kuylaars wrote: 

I have looked at the drawings this weekend, the fuses are in the trunk .

There is a fuse for each side.

Then in the door there are the window motor, the connector and a X earth

point. Also an end switch at the bottom and a switch if the door is

open, so the window can be opened without turning on the ignition key. 

>From the door's the wire go though the soft top control unit, witch is

after the passenger chair under the cabinet or child seat. The wire from

the battery go to the fuse and from the fuse to the soft top control

unit.

Good luck 

Jan kuylaars

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   3. Re: RE: R129LIST Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 (Paytrak of Mississippi)

   4. 1995 SL230 - Wiring diagram for softtop ?? (Anil M Seunath)

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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:35:27 +0200

From: "Jan Kuylaars"  <mailto:jan at rian-bv.nl> <jan at rian-bv.nl>

Subject: [R129 SL] RE: R129LIST Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13

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In addition on mine last mail:

If the window is crashed at the upper part, and is stocked between the

rubber, and/or the guide u profile inside the door, there is also a

possibility that the current from the motor come to high and the fuse

will blow. That is properly the reason if the window- switch will not

operate. But first you had to correct the alignment from the window and

then replace the fuse. First pick-up the stopper at the bottom off the

door compartment. 

Let someone else operate the window switch , and help with your body

power to lower the window to the bottom. Then you can mount the stopper

at its original place, and should the problem be gone.

REMEMBER THAT SOMETIMES THE FUSE ARE BLOWN WITHOUT THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT

THE LEAD IS BURNED AWAY. So replace the fuse to be sure.

The window has only an fuse ; an switch, an (roof command) relay, and a

motor. The rest is wiring, so there can not be a  very difficult

problem. The relay and switch are connected parallel.

Success.

Jan Kuylaars

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In the door there are two stoppers screwed to the inside plate to fix

the end of the window height. You can reach it after remove the cover.

If the nut of on  stopper is come loose, and the stopper fall down in

the door compartment, the window  

Will be turned a little bit at the end and come higher then normally. I

believe the window is now clamped between the rubbers and the door, and

will not be able to go down. If the window will not move , the bottom

switch will not operate and the roof will not work.

Jan Kuylaars , in the naburhood from the first twister in my lifetime in

Holland. Only damage some tree's and one house.

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From: william hughes  <mailto:jennianenterprises at verizon.net>
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this morning i put up both side windows - tried to close driver's side

door and window is stuck in the fully up position - hits the top and

trouble 

closing door.

and the switch does nothing can't move it up or down - please help

regards, bill

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Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:38:01 +0200

From: George Simpson  <mailto:george.simpson.r129 at tiscali.fr>
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It's strange that the glass hits the top - why would the window go up 

beyond it's usual 'end of travel'?

Try using the hard top/soft top Raise/Lower red switch. You only need to

push the red button backwards or forwards a little way and both windows 

should start to lower. Once half way down, reverse what you are doing 

with the red button and see if that changes anything.

If that doesn't work, maybe one of our resident electronics experts can 

suggest a 'reset' solution (you have, of course, checked the fuses !!)

George Simpson

Cognac

william hughes wrote:

this morning i put up both side windows - tried to close driver's side

door and window is stuck in the fully up position - hits the top and 

trouble closing door. and the switch does nothing can't move it up or 

down - please help regards,

bill

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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:22:21 -0400

From: william hughes  <mailto:jennianenterprises at verizon.net>
<jennianenterprises at verizon.net>

Subject: Re: [R129 SL] RE: R129LIST Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13

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thanks jan,

i looked in the main fuse box - none were blown

but i did not see which one controlled the windows - do you know?

thanks, bill

Jan Kuylaars wrote:

In addition on mine last mail:

If the window is crashed at the upper part, and is stocked between the 

rubber, and/or the guide u profile inside the door, there is also a 

possibility that the current from the motor come to high and the fuse 

will blow. That is properly the reason if the window- switch will not 

operate. But first you had to correct the alignment from the window and

then replace the fuse.

First pick-up the stopper at the bottom off the door compartment. 

Let someone else operate the window switch , and help with your body

power to lower the window to the bottom.

Then you can mount the stopper at its original place, and should the

problem be gone.

REMEMBER THAT SOMETIMES THE FUSE ARE BLOWN WITHOUT THAT YOU CAN SEE 

THAT THE LEAD IS BURNED AWAY. So replace the fuse to be sure.

The window has only an fuse ; an switch, an (roof command) relay, and a

motor. The rest is wiring, so there can not be a  very difficult 

problem. The relay and switch are connected parallel.

Success.

Jan Kuylaars

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In the door there are two stoppers screwed to the inside plate to fix 

the end of the window height. You can reach it after remove the cover. 

If the nut of on  stopper is come loose, and the stopper fall down in 

the door compartment, the window

Will be turned a little bit at the end and come higher then normally. I

believe the window is now clamped between the rubbers and the door, and

will not be able to go down. If the window will not move , the bottom

switch will not operate and the roof will not work.

Jan Kuylaars , in the naburhood from the first twister in my lifetime 

in Holland. Only damage some tree's and one house.

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this morning i put up both side windows - tried to close driver's side 

door and window is stuck in the fully up position - hits the top and 

trouble closing door.

and the switch does nothing can't move it up or down - please help

regards, bill

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Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:38:01 +0200

From: George Simpson  <mailto:george.simpson.r129 at tiscali.fr>
<george.simpson.r129 at tiscali.fr>

Subject: Re: [R129 SL] WINDOW

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It's strange that the glass hits the top - why would the window go up

beyond it's usual 'end of travel'?

Try using the hard top/soft top Raise/Lower red switch. You only need 

to

push the red button backwards or forwards a little way and both windows

should start to lower. Once half way down, reverse what you are doing 

with the red button and see if that changes anything.

If that doesn't work, maybe one of our resident electronics experts can

suggest a 'reset' solution (you have, of course, checked the fuses !!)

George Simpson

Cognac

william hughes wrote:

this morning i put up both side windows - tried to close driver's side

door and window is stuck in the fully up position - hits the top and 

trouble closing door. and the switch does nothing can't move it up or 

down - please help regards,

bill

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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:07:36 -0500

From: "Paytrak of Mississippi"  <mailto:PaytrakofMS at jam.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: [R129 SL] RE: R129LIST Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13

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I need some advise. I have 2 stud on the left rear wheel that snapped

off while I was trying to take the wheel off. These are the studs (not

lug nuts) the screw into the Hub. They have a lip made on then to I

assume seat the wheel on to the hub correctly. The studs broke off in

front of these lips so the wheel is still on the hub even after I take

the 3 other studs completely out. Does anyone have any advise as how I

can get these 2 studs out?

Thank You,

Franklin in Mississippi

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  From: william hughes 

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  Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:22 AM

  Subject: Re: [R129 SL] RE: R129LIST Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13

  thanks jan,

  i looked in the main fuse box - none were blown

  but i did not see which one controlled the windows - do you know?

  thanks,

  bill

  Jan Kuylaars wrote: 

In addition on mine last mail:

If the window is crashed at the upper part, and is stocked between the

rubber, and/or the guide u profile inside the door, there is also a

possibility that the current from the motor come to high and the fuse

will blow. That is properly the reason if the window- switch will not

operate. But first you had to correct the alignment from the window and

then replace the fuse. First pick-up the stopper at the bottom off the

door compartment. 

Let someone else operate the window switch , and help with your body

power to lower the window to the bottom. Then you can mount the stopper

at its original place, and should the problem be gone.

REMEMBER THAT SOMETIMES THE FUSE ARE BLOWN WITHOUT THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT

THE LEAD IS BURNED AWAY. So replace the fuse to be sure.

The window has only an fuse ; an switch, an (roof command) relay, and a

motor. The rest is wiring, so there can not be a  very difficult

problem. The relay and switch are connected parallel.

Success.

Jan Kuylaars

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In the door there are two stoppers screwed to the inside plate to fix

the end of the window height. You can reach it after remove the cover.

If the nut of on  stopper is come loose, and the stopper fall down in

the door compartment, the window  

Will be turned a little bit at the end and come higher then normally. I

believe the window is now clamped between the rubbers and the door, and

will not be able to go down. If the window will not move , the bottom

switch will not operate and the roof will not work.

Jan Kuylaars , in the naburhood from the first twister in my lifetime in

Holland. Only damage some tree's and one house.

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this morning i put up both side windows - tried to close driver's side

door and window is stuck in the fully up position - hits the top and

trouble 

closing door.

and the switch does nothing can't move it up or down - please help

regards, bill

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Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:38:01 +0200

From: George Simpson  <mailto:george.simpson.r129 at tiscali.fr>
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It's strange that the glass hits the top - why would the window go up 

beyond it's usual 'end of travel'?

Try using the hard top/soft top Raise/Lower red switch. You only need to

push the red button backwards or forwards a little way and both windows 

should start to lower. Once half way down, reverse what you are doing 

with the red button and see if that changes anything.

If that doesn't work, maybe one of our resident electronics experts can 

suggest a 'reset' solution (you have, of course, checked the fuses !!)

George Simpson

Cognac

william hughes wrote:

  this morning i put up both side windows - tried to close driver's side

  door and window is stuck in the fully up position - hits the top and

trouble closing door. and the switch does nothing can't move it up or

down - please help regards, bill The MB Coupes Website! R129 SL Mailing

List

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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:38:29 -0400

From: Anil M Seunath  <mailto:amseunath at atlanticlng.com>
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Subject: [R129 SL] 1995 SL230 - Wiring diagram for softtop ??

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Hello Folks -

Does anyone know were i can get a schematic diagram of the soft-top. I

need to go though a process of identifying all the microswitches and

limiters to determine which one is faulty.

thanks

Anil.

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