I took a stab at a flower macro with the 4x5 last weekend. It was taken just over 1:2 on E100S film. 1/5 sec @ f/22. The lens was my bargain-basement Elgeet 10" f/4.5. FWIW: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1444044&size=lg Alan Davenport