[Jacob-list] Ed and E+

[Neal Grose]

Our experience here is that you must cross a lilac carrier to a lilac 
carrier to produce lilac. In other words, there must be two copies of the 
lilac gene to suppress the dominant black. Therefore, it is not carried at 
the black loci (Ed ).

Neal Grose

-----Original Message----- 
From: Hettick, Heather
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 10:25 AM
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Subject: [Jacob-list] Ed and E+

I think most Jacobs are considered EdEd, but some are EdE+.  I had a lilac 
ewe who produced a spotted black badgerfaced lamb with an Icelandic ram who 
was black badgerfaced and carried spotting, so she had to be EdE+.   She 
also tended to fade a lot, which may or may not make a difference. The two 
lilac ewes I still have only produced black lambs bred to a solid moorit 
Icelandic ram two years in a row.  This year they both have black or 
black/white spotted lambs bred to a white ram who carries spotting.  I feel 
fairly confident that they are both EdEd.

I have a Jacob/ mostlyTunis cross ewe who produces the coolest colored 
lambs.  She is EdE+ and looks like a Jacob cross - black with a small  white 
spot on her poll.  Bred to Jacob rams, she produced classic looking black 
with some white lambs.   Last year, with a moorit solid Icelandic ram, she 
had two blue ewe lambs.  I think their pattern is considered light blue - 
they have tear spots and their bodies grayed from the sides outwards leaving 
a dark line down their backs, and they have black legs and faces.   This 
pattern has to  come from their mother, either hidden under Jacob Ed or from 
the Tunis side which includes a colored Romney ancestor as her "Tunis" 
mother was 1/8 Romney.

This year we bred her to a black mouflon (reverse badgerface) ram who 
carries moorit and spotting and got two spotted lambs with both the mouflon 
pattern and probably her blue pattern, and a weird brown ram who is graying 
from the skin.   I don't think she carries moorit, although her Jacob father 
was a lilac carrier - which isn't moorit anyway.   I'm not sure if he's 
actually moorit or just phao colored from the Tunis side.  He doesn't have 
the teardrop spots, but has some kind of gray pattern - more like Icelandic 
gray, but his father doesn't carry gray.   I think she carries the light 
blue pattern and a gray pattern, which we couldn't see because of the Ed and 
one of her patterns would have to come from her Jacob sire.

One of her half Icelandic daughters had a classic colored Jacob cross ewe 
lamb - black with white cap.  This one makes sense since our white ram is 
black under his white and carries spotting and I think has the solid, 
pattern based on other lambs he produced.  The other daughter had another 
sort of strange brown ram.  He actually looks more like he could be  a 
white with phao lamb though as the color is patchier and lighter than our 
other brown cross ram.  Both daughters were bred to our white Icelandic ram 
who I don't think carries moorit so I think this brown lamb probably is 
white with phao.

I don't understand phao coloring too much, but I think that's what the 
Tunis's have that makes them red.  Is it possible this could be what lilac 
is?

When I see phao in Icelandics, it's more tan or golden, although I've heard 
it can be a stronger color too.  Some Tunis really have dark red, and my one 
lamb who may  have phao coloring has really rich brown on his face and legs. 
I wish I had room to keep him and could breed him to my lilac Jacob ewes to 
see what we'd get.


Heather Hettick
Moonstruck Farm
Creston, OH
www.moonstruckfarm.wordpress.com








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