[Jacob-list] Jimson weed toxcisity

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Thu Aug 2 15:43:11 EDT 2012

How toxic is Jimson weed to sheep? I see you mentioned it in your list. Also is Mares Tail (canadensis) toxic to sheep at any particular time of the year.
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:57:53 -0700
From: Kate Barrett <katebarrett55 at gmail.com>
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Although Oregon has not had the heat the rest of the country is dealing
with I did have an old suffolk/dorset ewe down this morning, in the already
hot sun at 8 AM. . She is 12 years old, but has managed to keep her
weight.She is the last of my kid's 4H market lambs on the place, always
threw reserve grand champion lambs. She is arthritic and I think she got
on a slope and couldn't get up. I was able to get her up and walk her into
the shady barn and she drank a ton of water. left her there with some fresh
hay and some salt mineral with grain and alfalfa, which she was gobbling
up. I guess this is her last summer, but she is a fighter.
Also had a goat with a 8 foot section of wire panel around her neck this
morning...she was dragging it with her. Just when you think summer is the
slow time because the haying is done!
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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:29:18 -0400
From: "Neal Grose" <nlgrose at yadtel.net>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss
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Heat stress losses can be extremely complicated and involve several factors.
Our sheep generally do fine here, even with full fleeces, with 90+ degree
heat and 80% humidity, but piling on other things can do them in.
1) Worm loads. We have both summer dormant and winter dormant strains of
parasites. A sudden improvement in climate conditions can cause a sudden
hatch-out of worms.
2) Clostridia infections can take hold during stress and internal injury
(such as worms) and cause sudden death...as in healthy to dead over-night.
3) Mild poisoning. Sheep are lazy, especially during heat, and may just not
feel like walking past the deadly nightshade, jimsonweed seedling, draught
stressed lambsquarter....nitrate, prussic acid ...all can be deadly when
sheep (or cows) are already under stress.

Neal Grose

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From: Betty Berlenbach
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:53 AM
To: lynettefrick at gmail.com ; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss

Interesting. I have mentioned to folks that Nomads in the desert use wool
hooded caftans to stay cool. Lynette mentions the sheep having good wool on
them to protect them from the desert. Instinct seems to say take the wool
off, but I think possibly, this is counter intuitive: they NEED the wool to
keep cool. Is that your experience, Lynette?

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Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss

I'm sorry to hear your loss. I just had a ewe turn up spontaneously with
acidosis with no feed change. Only change was weather. She survived with
quick treatment. My sheep have no access to shade, and the weather here is
usually 100-115 in the summer. Been in the high 90s a lot this year. The
only time I worry about shade is when it is over 105. The sheep seem to do
fine with the heat as long as they have good wool on them, and a ton of
water in large enough tanks to stay cool. If anybody has one turn up heat
stressed probably wouldn't hurt to check for acidosis? Might be related At
least its treatable. Makes a very distinguishable slosh in the rumen. I know
that culling for heat stress is helpful as well from a desert dwellers
perspective.

Good luck with the heat, and the drought. I hope your weather comes around.

Lynette Frick
Four Points Shearing & BarAUBar Sheep Co.

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Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the pasture
on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the morning, UTD on all
his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently.... (nice and pink). He was
shorn in late may, had access to plenty of water, (both natural stream and
stock tank). I had been noticing on the severly hot days he was a bit
distresses but everyone's been distressed with all this 100 + degree
weather.
?
He was a really nice ram :-(?? ...................
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Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?
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Did he have shade available? My Jacobs have been laying in the shade during
the hottest part of the day coming out to graze in the early mornings and
late evening. I have had no deaths. We did put gallon milk jugs filled with
water and frozen in the water tanks on those 100 degree days so the water
would not get hot. Sorry for your loss.

Carl


From: joy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:13 PM
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Subject: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?


Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the pasture
on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the morning, UTD on all
his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently.... (nice and pink). He was
shorn in late may, had access to plenty of water, (both natural stream and
stock tank). I had been noticing on the severly hot days he was a bit
distresses but everyone's been distressed with all this 100 + degree
weather.

He was a really nice ram :-( ...................


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Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?
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We lost one of our favorite older ewes a few weeks ago due to heat. It was
the fifth day of 103+ degree heat on our farm, and it finally took a sudden
toll. Our sheep had lots of shade and water, and most of them tolerated it
fine, but this ewe was still nursing 2 big lambs, and must have just got
over-stressed. She was very suddenly lethargic for one afternoon (at which
time we made sure she was shaded, cold watered, fed, and we even gave her a
dose of antibiotic), and the next morning we found her dead. The same day
we lost three rabbits. Not a good day.

This year has provided some crazy weird challenges. Heat is one, but the
dryness here in Michigan has been another. The ground here is so dry that
my high tensile electric fence basically was useless because the ground is
so dry that it doesn't ground well... no electrical ground = no effective
electric fence. Suffice to say the ram lambs had it figured out and were
helping themselves to the neighbor's high grass for several weeks until I
was able to reestablish authority (ha).

just a weird year.
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:13 PM, joy <jspidle1 at yahoo.com> wrote:


> Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the pasture

> on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the morning, UTD on

> all

> his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently.... (nice and pink). He was

> shorn in late may, had access to plenty of water, (both natural stream and

> stock tank). I had been noticing on the severly hot days he was a bit

> distresses but everyone's been distressed with all this 100 + degree

> weather.

>

> He was a really nice ram :-( ...................

>

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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:11:47 -0400
From: "Peg Bostwick" <peg at sweetgrass-jacobs.com>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss
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Oh, for the perfect, lush, toxic plant free, parasite free pastures.....
full of beautiful Jacobs of course...

Peg Bostwick
peg at sweetgrass-jacobs.com
517-626-6981


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[mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com] On Behalf Of Neal Grose
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Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss

Heat stress losses can be extremely complicated and involve several factors.

Our sheep generally do fine here, even with full fleeces, with 90+ degree
heat and 80% humidity, but piling on other things can do them in.
1) Worm loads. We have both summer dormant and winter dormant strains of
parasites. A sudden improvement in climate conditions can cause a sudden
hatch-out of worms.
2) Clostridia infections can take hold during stress and internal injury
(such as worms) and cause sudden death...as in healthy to dead over-night.
3) Mild poisoning. Sheep are lazy, especially during heat, and may just not
feel like walking past the deadly nightshade, jimsonweed seedling, draught
stressed lambsquarter....nitrate, prussic acid ...all can be deadly when
sheep (or cows) are already under stress.

Neal Grose

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From: Betty Berlenbach
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:53 AM
To: lynettefrick at gmail.com ; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss

Interesting. I have mentioned to folks that Nomads in the desert use wool
hooded caftans to stay cool. Lynette mentions the sheep having good wool on
them to protect them from the desert. Instinct seems to say take the wool
off, but I think possibly, this is counter intuitive: they NEED the wool to
keep cool. Is that your experience, Lynette?

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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:18 AM
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss

I'm sorry to hear your loss. I just had a ewe turn up spontaneously with
acidosis with no feed change. Only change was weather. She survived with
quick treatment. My sheep have no access to shade, and the weather here is
usually 100-115 in the summer. Been in the high 90s a lot this year. The
only time I worry about shade is when it is over 105. The sheep seem to do
fine with the heat as long as they have good wool on them, and a ton of
water in large enough tanks to stay cool. If anybody has one turn up heat
stressed probably wouldn't hurt to check for acidosis? Might be related At
least its treatable. Makes a very distinguishable slosh in the rumen. I know
that culling for heat stress is helpful as well from a desert dwellers
perspective.

Good luck with the heat, and the drought. I hope your weather comes around.

Lynette Frick
Four Points Shearing & BarAUBar Sheep Co.

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Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the pasture
on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the morning, UTD on all
his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently.... (nice and pink). He was
shorn in late may, had access to plenty of water, (both natural stream and
stock tank). I had been noticing on the severly hot days he was a bit
distresses but everyone's been distressed with all this 100 + degree
weather.
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From: "Carl Fosbrink" <fourhornfarm at frontier.com>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?
To: "joy" <jspidle1 at yahoo.com>, "jacobs" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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Did he have shade available? My Jacobs have been laying in the shade during
the hottest part of the day coming out to graze in the early mornings and
late evening. I have had no deaths. We did put gallon milk jugs filled with
water and frozen in the water tanks on those 100 degree days so the water
would not get hot. Sorry for your loss.

Carl


From: joy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:13 PM
To: jacobs
Subject: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?


Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the pasture
on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the morning, UTD on all
his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently.... (nice and pink). He was
shorn in late may, had access to plenty of water, (both natural stream and
stock tank). I had been noticing on the severly hot days he was a bit
distresses but everyone's been distressed with all this 100 + degree
weather.

He was a really nice ram :-( ...................


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From: Zach Oaster <zach at fattoaster.com>
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We lost one of our favorite older ewes a few weeks ago due to heat. It was
the fifth day of 103+ degree heat on our farm, and it finally took a sudden
toll. Our sheep had lots of shade and water, and most of them tolerated it
fine, but this ewe was still nursing 2 big lambs, and must have just got
over-stressed. She was very suddenly lethargic for one afternoon (at which
time we made sure she was shaded, cold watered, fed, and we even gave her a
dose of antibiotic), and the next morning we found her dead. The same day we
lost three rabbits. Not a good day.

This year has provided some crazy weird challenges. Heat is one, but the
dryness here in Michigan has been another. The ground here is so dry that my
high tensile electric fence basically was useless because the ground is so
dry that it doesn't ground well... no electrical ground = no effective
electric fence. Suffice to say the ram lambs had it figured out and were
helping themselves to the neighbor's high grass for several weeks until I
was able to reestablish authority (ha).

just a weird year.
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Zach Oaster
zach at fattoaster.com
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Visit Zach & Lindsay's farm blog: http://www.fattoasterfarm.com
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:13 PM, joy <jspidle1 at yahoo.com> wrote:


> Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the

> pasture on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the

> morning, UTD on all his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently....

> (nice and pink). He was shorn in late may, had access to plenty of

> water, (both natural stream and stock tank). I had been noticing on

> the severly hot days he was a bit distresses but everyone's been

> distressed with all this 100 + degree weather.

>

> He was a really nice ram :-( ...................

>

> _______________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:36:27 +0000
From: lynettefrick at gmail.com
Subject: [Jacob-list] Heat loss
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It sure is. I like my sheep to go into summer with an inch or two of wool on them. My finewools can get away with shorter wool, but the Jacobs don't have the fleece density to get away with that. When I was raising Jacobs I always shore in January, it coincided with lambing, and they had an established fleece by summer.
Coarser, more open fleeced individuals seem to have the hardest time directly after shearing in the heat. I shore some with 13 tooth combs, what I thought should be at a pretty safe time, and lo an behold they sunburned to the point of sloughing a six inch section of skin down the spine, and over the shoulder blades. They also suffered extreme heat stress to the point that I thought I might lose three of them, and yes they had shade. While they where shaded up from 10 till 4, the sheep with 2in of fleece where out grazing in the sun - 108F & 25+ percent humidity. I just keep them crutched so they stay tidy, and don't get fly strike. Wool works kinda like a swamp cooler. Moisture comes up off the skin, and if there is any air movement it goes through the fleece, and cools the animal.(Too much wool + humidity is can cause rot and flystrike) Also the wool works like a portashade, protecting the animal from feeling direct sunlight.

Lynette

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From: "Betty Berlenbach" <lambfarm at tds.net>
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Interesting. I have mentioned to folks that Nomads in the desert use wool
hooded caftans to stay cool. Lynette mentions the sheep having good wool on
them to protect them from the desert. Instinct seems to say take the wool
off, but I think possibly, this is counter intuitive: they NEED the wool to
keep cool. Is that your experience, Lynette?

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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:18 AM
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss

I'm sorry to hear your loss. I just had a ewe turn up spontaneously with
acidosis with no feed change. Only change was weather. She survived with
quick treatment. My sheep have no access to shade, and the weather here is
usually 100-115 in the summer. Been in the high 90s a lot this year. The
only time I worry about shade is when it is over 105. The sheep seem to do
fine with the heat as long as they have good wool on them, and a ton of
water in large enough tanks to stay cool. If anybody has one turn up heat
stressed probably wouldn't hurt to check for acidosis? Might be related At
least its treatable. Makes a very distinguishable slosh in the rumen. I know
that culling for heat stress is helpful as well from a desert dwellers
perspective.

Good luck with the heat, and the drought. I hope your weather comes around.

Lynette Frick
Four Points Shearing & BarAUBar Sheep Co.

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:13:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: joy <jspidle1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?
To: jacobs <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the pasture
on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the morning, UTD on all
his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently.... (nice and pink). He was
shorn in late may, had access to plenty of water, (both natural stream and
stock tank). I had been noticing on the severly hot days he was a bit
distresses but everyone's been distressed with all this 100 + degree
weather.
?
He was a really nice ram :-(?? ...................
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:04:57 -0400
From: "Carl Fosbrink" <fourhornfarm at frontier.com>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?
To: "joy" <jspidle1 at yahoo.com>, "jacobs" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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Did he have shade available? My Jacobs have been laying in the shade during
the hottest part of the day coming out to graze in the early mornings and
late evening. I have had no deaths. We did put gallon milk jugs filled with
water and frozen in the water tanks on those 100 degree days so the water
would not get hot. Sorry for your loss.

Carl


From: joy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:13 PM
To: jacobs
Subject: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?


Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the pasture
on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the morning, UTD on all
his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently.... (nice and pink). He was
shorn in late may, had access to plenty of water, (both natural stream and
stock tank). I had been noticing on the severly hot days he was a bit
distresses but everyone's been distressed with all this 100 + degree
weather.

He was a really nice ram :-( ...................


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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:20:45 -0400
From: Zach Oaster <zach at fattoaster.com>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?
To: joy <jspidle1 at yahoo.com>
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We lost one of our favorite older ewes a few weeks ago due to heat. It was
the fifth day of 103+ degree heat on our farm, and it finally took a sudden
toll. Our sheep had lots of shade and water, and most of them tolerated it
fine, but this ewe was still nursing 2 big lambs, and must have just got
over-stressed. She was very suddenly lethargic for one afternoon (at which
time we made sure she was shaded, cold watered, fed, and we even gave her a
dose of antibiotic), and the next morning we found her dead. The same day
we lost three rabbits. Not a good day.

This year has provided some crazy weird challenges. Heat is one, but the
dryness here in Michigan has been another. The ground here is so dry that
my high tensile electric fence basically was useless because the ground is
so dry that it doesn't ground well... no electrical ground = no effective
electric fence. Suffice to say the ram lambs had it figured out and were
helping themselves to the neighbor's high grass for several weeks until I
was able to reestablish authority (ha).

just a weird year.
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Zach Oaster
zach at fattoaster.com
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Visit Zach & Lindsay's farm blog: http://www.fattoasterfarm.com
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^



On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:13 PM, joy <jspidle1 at yahoo.com> wrote:


> Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the pasture

> on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the morning, UTD on

> all

> his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently.... (nice and pink). He was

> shorn in late may, had access to plenty of water, (both natural stream and

> stock tank). I had been noticing on the severly hot days he was a bit

> distresses but everyone's been distressed with all this 100 + degree

> weather.

>

> He was a really nice ram :-( ...................

>

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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:59:00 -0400
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss
To: Betty Berlenbach <lambfarm at tds.net>
Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com, lynettefrick at gmail.com
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Wool is an insulator - against hot and cold.

Linda


On 8/2/2012 8:53 AM, Betty Berlenbach wrote:

> Interesting. I have mentioned to folks that Nomads in the desert use

> wool hooded caftans to stay cool. Lynette mentions the sheep having

> good wool on them to protect them from the desert. Instinct seems to

> say take the wool off, but I think possibly, this is counter

> intuitive: they NEED the wool to keep cool. Is that your experience,

> Lynette?

>

>


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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:34:37 +0000
From: "Hettick, Heather" <hettick.1 at osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat
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I have rarely lost a sheep to heat alone, but definitely in combination with other things.

We lost our guard llama to heat related pneumonia a few years ago. Later that summer, I lost an Icelandic ram lamb I had just bought to the same. The vet got me some nasal vaccine for the entire flock as it was going around locally that year and we only lost one more sheep, a Jacob ewe lamb to the heat/pneumonia that year. She actually lasted longer than the other two and we treated her with antibiotics and pain meds for probably two weeks, but she still died.

After that we bought a barn fan, which helps, and the sheep and our new llama take advantage of it regularly. I still have to watch my Icelandics when the worm loads get high as the anemia and heat together seems to be pretty deadly. Last year I lost an older Icelandic I was treating for grass tetany and major weight loss from feeding large twins during a hot spell and I probably still lose one or two a year to the heat/anemia combination, some years have been worse and I"ve worked on finding better quality minerals and supplementing with selenium/e and supplementing with extra food in the morning when it's cooler so their energy levels are kept up during the heat of the day and keeping the water fresh and cool.

The Jacobs definitely handle heat better than my Icelandics as well as parasites. I've seen scary FAMACHA scores on Jacobs and Jacob/Icelandic cross lambs and it doesn't seem to affect them fatally the way it sometimes does the purebred Icelandics. They seem to recover much quicker after worming or just aren't as bothered by the anemia. I did fecal egg counts on all my adult sheep this spring before and after lambing, about a month apart through March/April and May. Although the Icelandics had a wide variety of results from scary high to almost 0 even after lambing, the 4 Jacob ewes I still have come out around the middle in fecal eggs per gram as did my Jacob/Tunis cross ewes.

Heather Hettick
Moonstruck Farm
www.moonstruckfarm.wordpress.com
www.moonstruckfarm.etsy.com



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Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 13:34:37 +0000
From: "Hettick, Heather" <hettick.1 at osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat
To: "jacob-list at jacobsheep.com" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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I have rarely lost a sheep to heat alone, but definitely in combination with other things.

We lost our guard llama to heat related pneumonia a few years ago. Later that summer, I lost an Icelandic ram lamb I had just bought to the same. The vet got me some nasal vaccine for the entire flock as it was going around locally that year and we only lost one more sheep, a Jacob ewe lamb to the heat/pneumonia that year. She actually lasted longer than the other two and we treated her with antibiotics and pain meds for probably two weeks, but she still died.

After that we bought a barn fan, which helps, and the sheep and our new llama take advantage of it regularly. I still have to watch my Icelandics when the worm loads get high as the anemia and heat together seems to be pretty deadly. Last year I lost an older Icelandic I was treating for grass tetany and major weight loss from feeding large twins during a hot spell and I probably still lose one or two a year to the heat/anemia combination, some years have been worse and I"ve worked on finding better quality minerals and supplementing with selenium/e and supplementing with extra food in the morning when it's cooler so their energy levels are kept up during the heat of the day and keeping the water fresh and cool.

The Jacobs definitely handle heat better than my Icelandics as well as parasites. I've seen scary FAMACHA scores on Jacobs and Jacob/Icelandic cross lambs and it doesn't seem to affect them fatally the way it sometimes does the purebred Icelandics. They seem to recover much quicker after worming or just aren't as bothered by the anemia. I did fecal egg counts on all my adult sheep this spring before and after lambing, about a month apart through March/April and May. Although the Icelandics had a wide variety of results from scary high to almost 0 even after lambing, the 4 Jacob ewes I still have come out around the middle in fecal eggs per gram as did my Jacob/Tunis cross ewes.

Heather Hettick
Moonstruck Farm
www.moonstruckfarm.wordpress.com
www.moonstruckfarm.etsy.com



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:54:36 -0400
From: "Peg Bostwick" <peg at sweetgrass-jacobs.com>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss
To: "'Betty Berlenbach'" <lambfarm at tds.net>, <lynettefrick at gmail.com>,
<jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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Hi, guys. All I can add is an old observation from our county 4-H fair -
where we were among very few wool sheep (sometimes the only wool sheep
present) in a county dominated by big meat breeds, slick shorn. One year
when kids were active in 4H, we had a blazingly hot show week. We were in
an open sided barn, and had shade and obviously feed and water. The big
meat sheep were clearly stressed - mostly laying around panting in their
pens. The commercial farmers brought in big livestock fans aimed at their
flocks, and some of the kids took the sheep over and hosed them down. Our
Jacobs on the other hand had 6 months of wool, and were pretty much
"business as usual" - active in their pens, "talking" to visitors, and NOT
panting. A lot of people commented about it. I think it was partly the
breed, and partly the wool insulation.

A last bit of speculation - those horns also radiate heat from the base, and
it occurs to me that they may help to get rid of excess body heat (although
in the winter, this wouldn't be so great).

Any animal gets stressed in conditions that are too extreme --- ours have
definitely been panting THIS year -- and my sympathies to those who have
lost animals in spite of best efforts. It's tough.

Peg

Peg Bostwick
peg at sweetgrass-jacobs.com
517-626-6981

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Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss

Interesting. I have mentioned to folks that Nomads in the desert use wool
hooded caftans to stay cool. Lynette mentions the sheep having good wool on
them to protect them from the desert. Instinct seems to say take the wool
off, but I think possibly, this is counter intuitive: they NEED the wool to
keep cool. Is that your experience, Lynette?

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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:18 AM
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat loss

I'm sorry to hear your loss. I just had a ewe turn up spontaneously with
acidosis with no feed change. Only change was weather. She survived with
quick treatment. My sheep have no access to shade, and the weather here is
usually 100-115 in the summer. Been in the high 90s a lot this year. The
only time I worry about shade is when it is over 105. The sheep seem to do
fine with the heat as long as they have good wool on them, and a ton of
water in large enough tanks to stay cool. If anybody has one turn up heat
stressed probably wouldn't hurt to check for acidosis? Might be related At
least its treatable. Makes a very distinguishable slosh in the rumen. I know
that culling for heat stress is helpful as well from a desert dwellers
perspective.

Good luck with the heat, and the drought. I hope your weather comes around.

Lynette Frick
Four Points Shearing & BarAUBar Sheep Co.

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From: joy <jspidle1 at yahoo.com>
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Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the pasture
on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the morning, UTD on all
his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently.... (nice and pink). He was
shorn in late may, had access to plenty of water, (both natural stream and
stock tank). I had been noticing on the severly hot days he was a bit
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:04:57 -0400
From: "Carl Fosbrink" <fourhornfarm at frontier.com>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?
To: "joy" <jspidle1 at yahoo.com>, "jacobs" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
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Did he have shade available? My Jacobs have been laying in the shade during
the hottest part of the day coming out to graze in the early mornings and
late evening. I have had no deaths. We did put gallon milk jugs filled with
water and frozen in the water tanks on those 100 degree days so the water
would not get hot. Sorry for your loss.

Carl


From: joy
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:13 PM
To: jacobs
Subject: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?


Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the pasture
on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the morning, UTD on all
his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently.... (nice and pink). He was
shorn in late may, had access to plenty of water, (both natural stream and
stock tank). I had been noticing on the severly hot days he was a bit
distresses but everyone's been distressed with all this 100 + degree
weather.

He was a really nice ram :-( ...................


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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:20:45 -0400
From: Zach Oaster <zach at fattoaster.com>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Heat related deaths?
To: joy <jspidle1 at yahoo.com>
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We lost one of our favorite older ewes a few weeks ago due to heat. It was
the fifth day of 103+ degree heat on our farm, and it finally took a sudden
toll. Our sheep had lots of shade and water, and most of them tolerated it
fine, but this ewe was still nursing 2 big lambs, and must have just got
over-stressed. She was very suddenly lethargic for one afternoon (at which
time we made sure she was shaded, cold watered, fed, and we even gave her a
dose of antibiotic), and the next morning we found her dead. The same day we
lost three rabbits. Not a good day.

This year has provided some crazy weird challenges. Heat is one, but the
dryness here in Michigan has been another. The ground here is so dry that my
high tensile electric fence basically was useless because the ground is so
dry that it doesn't ground well... no electrical ground = no effective
electric fence. Suffice to say the ram lambs had it figured out and were
helping themselves to the neighbor's high grass for several weeks until I
was able to reestablish authority (ha).

just a weird year.
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Zach Oaster
zach at fattoaster.com
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Visit Zach & Lindsay's farm blog: http://www.fattoasterfarm.com
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^



On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:13 PM, joy <jspidle1 at yahoo.com> wrote:


> Has anyone had any heat related deaths. I found my ram dead in the

> pasture on Friday and i have no idea why..... he was fne in the

> morning, UTD on all his vaccines and had a FAMCHA check recently....

> (nice and pink). He was shorn in late may, had access to plenty of

> water, (both natural stream and stock tank). I had been noticing on

> the severly hot days he was a bit distresses but everyone's been

> distressed with all this 100 + degree weather.

>

> He was a really nice ram :-( ...................

>

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