[Jacob-list] two horned sheep

[Linda]

According to the JSBA registration numbers submitted by Robin to the 
list, the percentage of 2 horned sheep is steadily decreasing .

/"Here are the real numbers for the last 3 1/2 years of JSBA registrations:
2008 49% 2H, 51% 4H
2009 48% 2H, 52% 4H
2010 48% 2H, 52% 4H
2011 to date 46% 2H, 53% 4H
Robin Lynde
JSBA Registrar"
/
Linda

On 9/7/2011 11:03 AM, Carl Fosbrink wrote:

> *Mark,*

> *    Thank you for enlightening us as to why most people don't 

> register in Missouri. It is pretty much what I thought.*

> *     Yes, the numbers of 2H Jacobs have increased steadily within 

> JSBA as the spinner market has increased. What do you see as far as 

> the percentage of 2Hs in Missouri? I would guess it is a lot less 

> since the shooters don't want 2Hs.*

> *    My favorite thing about JSBA is the pedigree search. You can 

> check the pedigree on a JSBA registered Jacob for 5 generations. There 

> is even a reverse pedigree search. I find this a great help when 

> trying to select a new ram to purchase, If you don't know the pedigree 

> of an individual it may produce it's like or it may not.*

> *    JSBA also has an on-line list of members where you can locate 

> members who have Jacobs to sell.*

> *   If the JSBA could some day put the registration picture they keep 

> on record * *with the animals on the pedigree search it would be the 

> greatest thing since sliced bread in my opinion.*

> *    I try to keep photos of good Jacobs in a file here at home and 

> get pictures of as many Jacobs as I can. It is a great help when 

> obtaining new breeding stock to know what the ancestors were like.*

> *    When buying unregistered stock a person would have to see the 

> seller's flock to know if what they are buying was out of good lines 

> or not I would think.*

> *    Even when buying registered stock this is a good idea because the 

> standard is so wide open that flocks can vary greatly from one flock 

> to another.*

> *    I understand the problem with the shooter market paying more for 

> the adult rams. I find it a shame that I am offered much more by 

> shooters for a ram than I can get for it as a registered breeder.*

> *     I also find that other breeds of sheep bring a much higher price 

> for breeders than Jacobs do. I keep them because I love the breed and 

> want to preserve the American Jacob's great qualities and I hope for a 

> bright future for the breed.*

> *     I think the JSBA, although it has it's share of problems, has 

> been the most stable and productive of the registries and most of the 

> other registries have faded away.*

> *     How would I know about all those great Jacobs in Missouri if I 

> wanted to buy some. Would I have to attend all the exotic auctions and 

> sales?*

> **

> *Carl*

>

>     ----- Original Message -----

>     *From:* Mark Essen <mailto:messen at socket.net>

>     *To:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com <mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>     *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:21 PM

>     *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] two horned sheep

>

>     A big Thank you goes out to Robin for her report of the stats.  I

>     would never have dreamed that two horned Jacobs were so plentiful.

>     As many of you know, I have been raising Jacobs for more years

>     than most and was a proud member of JSBA for all of my early years.

>     In Missouri there are Jacobs flocks all over the place.  I do not

>     know very many that are registered.  But, many of these flocks are

>     of excellent quality.  The problem is finding all of these small

>     flocks.  It is not uncommon for me to run into somebody that sees

>     me wearing a JSBA t-shirt and comes up and talks about their own

>     small flock.  As it turns out, the easiest way to find a Jacobs

>     breeder is go to an exotic sale.  There are at least two in

>     Missouri that happen six times annually that have great Jacobs. 

>     There are at least five other sales or swaps that have Jacobs

>     routinely, although the quality should be questioned.  Then there

>     is the Small Farm Show that has two JSBA members exhibiting every

>     year.  At the sales and swaps, you may or may not get papers, but

>     never pay a premium for registration.  People just do not care.  I

>     have bought some good quality ewes that continually produce good

>     quality lambs that have been registered in a variety of small

>     registries. I think the availability of good quality unregistered

>     stock is one reason that Missourians are not quick to join an

>     association.  I think another reason is that there are a variety

>     of registries that accept Jacobs.  Five years ago I think I

>     counted six different registries that would take my money for a

>     certificate.  My background is JSBA so that is the one that I

>     prefer, but new people have no clue so just do not bother.

>     At least, that is my thoughts.

>     As a side thought, breeders in Missouri cannot afford a mature

>     four horn quality ram at auction.  The shooting ranches always

>     have more money.  Breeders buy younger stock and hope they turn

>     out well.

>

>     On 9/6/2011 1:27 AM, Carl Fosbrink wrote:

>     ..........snip

>>     *    Missouri is one state where few people raise registered

>>     Jacobs. Mark can probably enlighten us on why this is. I always

>>     suspected it was because they have the exotic sales there that

>>     other states do not have and this gave them a market that most

>>     other states do not have.*

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