[Jacob-list] Wobbly lambs and Se

[Heather Hettick]

Hi Shari,

I've had good luck with oral vitamins/minerals on wobbly lambs because, like
you, I decided to treat it like a deficiency.  Last year I had one and tried
everything on him and he turned out to be a fine meat wether, in fact he
moved almost normally by the time he was a month old.

I don't have BoSe handy, but I have various pastes and other concoctions and
have been giving a variety to try to hit anything that might be lacking.  I
had some "lamb strength", a molasses/garlic based concoction I make up for
my  Icelandics over the summer when I'm worming them and battling anemia and
heat stress, another commercial molasses based mixture and I even injected B
vitamins on a rotating basis.  This year I added selenium yeast to the
mothers' minerals, but we still have a wobbler.  I have some of those gels
too with selenium and E, but they are a little harder for the small lambs to
swallow.

This year, my wobbly girl is coming along nicely.  At 5 days old, but still
has a slight wobble - I skipped the B injections since I hate giving shots
that may not be necessary, but have been giving her extra vitamins and
minerals.   The twins got off to a hard start anyway as their mother didn't
have a really strong let down at first or was just stressed after getting
shorn soon after they were born, but I tubed them with colostrum through the
first night and when the brother got good at nursing, he loosened mom up for
his sister and I weaned them off the tube by the time they were 24 hours
hold.  I massaged their mom and to help things get moving too. Miss wobbles
and her brother play and jump around like normal lambs, but she still loses
her balance when she tries to shake herself sometimes.  I have still not let
them outside as I'm afraid she'll get stuck in the mud, but I feel like she
will recover from this.  I think in the past, they have fallen behind their
sibling just slightly and then just went downhill fast so I try to keep tabs
on these lambs.  I don't consider this lamb breeding material anyway, but
I'd like a nice healthy sized lamb to send to market or the freezer.

What I don't get is why just one lamb?  If it's White Muscle disease, or Se
deficiency, shouldn't more of them have it, especially the siblings?  I've
been raising Jacob sheep since 1997 and I think this is only the 4th or 5th
one I've seen and one was a cross.  In this particular case, though, the
same mother has repeated herself.  Periwinkle had the wobbler last year.
I've actually increased the minerals I give over the years too.  

Heather

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From: Shari Staines <mikesharikids at yahoo.com>
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Jennifer and Heather,

I had a lamb born like this just over three weeks ago.? He also did not walk
for the first two weeks and I have treated him for selenium deficiency with
amazing results.? I was wondering if either of you tried Bo-Se to treat your
wobblers?? Rather than treat just once, I have been using an unorthodox
treatment plan that I found out about (used in other species).? I have
injected Bo-Se every three days which is very much off label.? On the day he
gets the Bo-Se, there is remarkable improvement.? I have injected a total of
6 mls over the past few weeks.? He is now holding his head up and frolicking
and able to nurse his mom without my assistance.? I will now use an oral
selenium / E gel for maintenance and I'll inject again if I see regression.?


I am not recommending this treatment, because it is very much off label and
I obviously could have killed him.? However, he would have most certainly
died had I not been this aggressive and I just figured that there was
nothing to LOSE.? In essence, I was going to kill him trying to save
him...or he would die on his own.

Jennifer, in watching your video...this is the same movement that my lamb
had and he carried his head down like yours.? Now, he carries his head up
and has nearly stopped crossing over the back legs.? Seemed that the back
legs took longer to strengthen and catch up to the front.

I also read that phosphoric acid and vitamin E are used together to treat
WMD in cattle.? So, I purchased Emitrol (over the counter nausea medicine)
and gave 3 mls twice per day and 400 iu vitamin E once per day (human pills
broken.)

Miraculously, he is thriving.? But, I still worry that at some point, he may
drop over and die because I may have somehow overdosed him.

Shari Staines
www.neverwinterfarm.com





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Jennifer Tucker wrote:? 

He did not stand on all 4 feet for 2 weeks.? We were ready to put him down
when he stood up and began walking.. He had a wobble to his gait? see the
following videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWaXNV8s5Ks? and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2624D625Vdk

Jennifer,

I watched your videos and this is definitely like something I have seen in
some of my lambs.? We lost most of the lambs who were like that. We've had 3
who behaved like this and maybe another if I check my records.? The first
was only slightly wobbly at first but got worse over time and he had a funny
look.? He ended up getting left out in a cold rain over night and went
downhill after that.? We finally had him put down as he wasn't walking or
nursing on his own and I got tired of tubing him and cleaning him up without
seeing any improvement.? The second was a Jacob/Icelandic cross and she was
really uncoordinated at birth, but very determined to nurse and stay with
her mother and hung on for quite a while.? When she walked, her rear would
sway back and forth like she had very little control over it and she kept
her front end lower.? When she ran, she would often flop over.? She finally
started having trouble keeping up with her mother and twin and went downhill
largely because of not getting enough food.? I think she caught something
that finished her off.? She was spending a lot of time laying down and
wasn't staying clean and dry very well and I think that contributed to her
getting sick.

I had one last year that wasn't too bad to start with, but definitely had
the wobble and off look.? Because the main problem seemed to be them losing
strength and size in comparison to their healthy twin, I focused on keeping
this one well fed, healthy and clean right away.? I went with the premise
that it was some sort of deficiency like white muscle disease or something
and gave him almost daily doses of vitamins/minerals and whatever I had
handy and it seemed to help as he improved a lot, but maybe it was just
because his case was mild in the first place.? I bottle fed him or tubed him
if he seemed to need it, but not every day.? I had sent him and his mother
and sister along with a couple other ewes with twins to graze at another
farm with more and better quality grass when he was a bit over a month old
and at about 2 or 3 months old, I sold him cheap to a friend who knew he was
"defective" and he was fed out as a meat lamb with access to a lush pasture
and fed commercial sheep food, but he was already way better looking and
more coordinated by that time.? When I went to shear him before he went to
the butcher in October, I could not see any evidence of him looking off or
uncoordinated, although he was slightly smaller than his companion. 
 
The cases I had were all out of different ewes and sired by unrelated rams
so I didn't necessarily see a genetic pattern, although there were two lambs
last year sired by my ram at another farm who also acted this way.? I used
this ram again this year and so far he has 3 lambs on the ground who all
look great.? 

I think it's possibly genetic, but I don't have the resources to check all
that out, so if it happens again, I would again give the lamb some special
nutrition treats and supplement with bottles if necessary to keep up their
strength, etc and hope they grow out of it.





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