[Jacob-list] Bo-Se - Neal?

[Linda]

Flooded the metabolic sites in the plants? or in the sheep when they ate 
the plants? I've used ferrous sulfate lightly in the paddocks to kill 
moss and have given iron injections to treat anemia on occasion. Haven't 
seen any weak lambs in a few years, but wonder if I'm risking a selenium 
deficiency with either practice?

Linda

On 6/18/2011 6:57 AM, Neal Grose wrote:

> There can certainly be variations in the way sheep utilize trace 

> minerals. I remember the Johnsons saying that Soay had an enormous 

> need for iodine. We used to routinely treat dry cows for selenium to 

> help prevent retained placentas, but no longer do so, and seldom have 

> a problem. My guess id that if you feed some variety of forages, 

> individual trace mineral problems will be reduced.

> I don’t know if selenium uptake by plants responds to changes in soil 

> pH, or the presence of things like high iron or aluminum content. (One 

> local farmer had copper deficiency that was caused by extreme iron in 

> her soils – it flooded all the metabolic sites that should have been 

> used for copper.) There are some soils that are just so selenium 

> deficient that there will be a problem with the forages.

> Neal

> *From:* Linda <mailto:patchworkfibers at windstream.net>

> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2011 9:28 PM

> *To:* Laura C Frazier <mailto:farmgirlarts at triad.rr.com>

> *Cc:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com <mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

> *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] Bo-Se - Neal?

> Thanks for the input. Would you think this ewe had a genetic problem 

> with selenium utilization if other members of her flock didn't have 

> the problem? The ewe is an adult, I assume. Has she ever shown signs 

> of selenium deficiency? infertility? fleece? horns?

> Neal - jump in!

>

> Linda

> On 6/17/2011 9:02 PM, Laura C Frazier wrote:

>> This is what I've heard/read: If the ewe has been selenium deficient 

>> and not treated ever, then she continues to be more and more 

>> deficient -- the grass is deficient and the hay from that area is 

>> deficient. The lamb is not getting the selenium it needs during 

>> pregnancy and following from the milk. So even if I give shots, they 

>> will not make up for the deficiency already in place. His muscle gain 

>> was not normal and since the brain is a muscle, there was some sort 

>> of issue there as well. This ewe had a lamb like this in her first 

>> year, had one of her twins die her second year and then had this twin 

>> like this. The deficiency can affect fertility, fleece, and horns. 

>> This lamb went two and a half months once the shots were given and I 

>> provided a mineral/protein block with selenium and loose 

>> salt/selenium and was only slightly wobbly, but never "normal". If 

>> given in amounts way over what's needed, it can kill sheep. It does 

>> affect goats and cows.

>>

>> Laura C Frazier

>> FarmGirl Arts

>> (336) 971-3834

>> Kernersville, NC

>> http://FarmGirlArts.com

>> http://www.etsy.com/shop/FarmGirlArts

>>

>>

>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Linda wrote:

>>

>>> If the mother is selenium deficient, won't selenium 

>>> supplements/injections solve that problem? Or is there some genetic 

>>> problem with utilizing selenium? I'm pretty ignorant about selenium 

>>> deficiency. I've twice had lambs that could not stand at birth - I 

>>> did not witness either birth. The first guy (seven years ago) was a 

>>> guy that I loved on paper before he was born. His birth fleece was 

>>> darn nice. I took him to the vet for testing and he was not selenium 

>>> deficient. The vet felt that he had suffered oxygen deprivation 

>>> during a prolonged birth causing CNS damage. Rocky had periods where 

>>> I thought he was going to be okay, but the vet said that periods 

>>> when the lamb can stand and seem normal is common in newborns with 

>>> cns damage.

>>> Are some sheep more prone to selenium deficiency? I don't know, 

>>> which is why I'm asking.

>>>

>>> On 6/16/2011 5:01 PM, Laura C Frazier wrote:

>>>> Susan,

>>>> I just returned from having a lamb born with Selenium deficiency 

>>>> (White Muscle Disease) euthanized. He was 2 and 1/2 months old. 

>>>> When born he was wobbly on his back legs but would run and play. 

>>>> His face was a bit funny looking, too. I gave him, his twin and 

>>>> mother Bo-Se twice three days apart as soon as I was able to get 

>>>> the Bo-Se. He did quite well until just two days ago. I'm thinking 

>>>> one of the other sheep pushed him around some. He went down in his 

>>>> hind legs. His muscles had not been developing like the others any 

>>>> way. I gave him another shot of Bo-Se, but saw no improvement. I 

>>>> knew this would just go on, so I had him put down. His mother is 

>>>> selenium deficient so I won't be breeding her anymore. Not worth 

>>>> it. His twin is just fine. I keep a mix of Selenium, Vitamin E and 

>>>> salt out free choice. My area of North Carolina is one of the most 

>>>> Selenium deficient areas in the country.

>>>> Laura

>>>>

>>>> Laura C Frazier

>>>> FarmGirl Arts

>>>> (336) 971-3834

>>>> Kernersville, NC

>>>> http://FarmGirlArts.com

>>>> http://www.etsy.com/shop/FarmGirlArts

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Message: 1

>>>>> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:16:34 -0400

>>>>> From: "Susan J Martin" <stcroft at ptd.net <mailto:stcroft at ptd.net>>

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>>>>> Just curious - how many of you give Bo-Se injections?When do you 

>>>>> give the injections?Do you inject both ewes and lambs, and 

>>>>> when?When do you give Bo-Se to your rams?Any information on your 

>>>>> management of Bo-Se would be appreciated...thanks.

>>>>> Sue Martin

>>>>> Stonecroft

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