[Jacob-list] Jacob List Sign Up Problems

[Thomas Carnes]

My wife Beverly has tried to sign up for the list several times.  She gets
the confirming email, but when she does what it says it does not work.  She
has been trying to get on now for several months, and cannot.  Can someone
help with this?  I assume she is not the only one having a problem.  When I
signed up, it worked without a glitch.  She, however, is the one primarily
working with our sheep.

 

THOMAS P. CARNES

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From: jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com
[mailto:jacob-list-bounces at jacobsheep.com] On Behalf Of BlackSheep
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:29 AM
To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Primitive characteristics

 

<< I personally don't think that a ram lamb that I can halter break should
not be considered primitive as opposed to one that is so nutso that I can't
handle him. Adaptability might just be a primitive trait as might be the
ability to learn.>>

 

Someone mentioned Soay earlier - we keep those too and one trait they have
which I consider to be very primitive is that when chased, initially they
will run, but when they get tired or are about to be caught they will drop
flat to the ground.  The lambs too will hide and lie flat, like a faun.  I'm
not sure if this is playing dead, or they are just lying still hoping no-one
will notice them - not much difference really. I have not seen this
behaviour in (British) Jacobs. 

The ability to learn must be a primitive trait which aids survival -
certainly in the case of a very aggressive ram, who wouldn't survive long on
our place, whereas a nice quiet one would.

 

Fleeces - endlessly debatable ! The Soay fleece is slightly double, in that
many specimens have a mane and 'chest wig', even the females, with some
hairs over the rest of the body, over a very short woolly layer.  When the
fleece is 'roo'ed' ie pulled off rather than shearing, these hairs stay
behind as a halo and eventually drop out as they are replaced by new growth.
However, it is thought that the original sheep were hairy with perhaps only
a slight woolly undercoat, and that the wool was encouraged by man.  We also
keep Hebrideans, which are double coated, but within this breed, it is the
less double coats which are thought to be more primitive or old fashioned.
By less double I mean that, like the Soay, many Hebrideans have a 'fore and
aft' fleece, with a big mane, a slight chest wig, but a less well-developed
top coat over the rest of the body, except the britch which is again hairy.
The totally double coat, which is even all over the body and has a long
outer hair layer over a soft, dense and resilient woolly undercoat, is the
result of dedicated breeding. The double coat is thought to be a survival
characteristic in our very wet (Scottish)climate as it sheds water, but in
fact Hebrideans will shake dry whether they have that top layer or not.
Their wool is frizzy, rather than having the crimp organised, so rain tends
not to penetrate anyway. For spinning, the double coat can either be spun
together for a tough yarn, or the two layers can be pulled apart and spun
separately, the hairs for warp and the woolly layer for softer clothing and
so on.

With Jacobs, if you went so far back as to find the original fleece type,
you may well have to go back beyond what is a Jacob. And what would be the
point?  In America, your sheep have to cope with a huge variety of climate
types - Jacobs appear to do that admirably, which is surely the whole point
- they survive !

 

Juliet in Scotland

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