[Jacob-list] registration question

[Marguerite Van Beek]

Linda

No, I was a newbie and I had no idea at that time that I could resubmit her.  I sold her to a nice woman in NY.  
Sad   I have learned to ask people on this site what they think about registration, sickness etc There is a wealth of information that comes from this site.  That is why I poised the question.  Jacob's are a strange breed.
You think you have them figured out.  LOL


Peggy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Linda<mailto:patchworkfibers at alltel.net> 
  To: Marguerite Van Beek<mailto:pegvanbeek at msn.com> ; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com<mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com> ; Neal and Louise Grose<mailto:nlgrose at yadtel.net> 
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] registration question


  In a JSC communication awhile back, there was a statement regarding waiting to present animals for registration that had wool forward, had not yet developed nose pigment, or ewe lambs that did not yet have firmly attached laterals.  The premise being that certifiers could only judge on what they see. They cannot predict what "might be". That same applies to JSBA applications. 
  It is the responsibility of the breeder to present sheep at the right time and in the best light. Your ewe sounds very nice. I hope you resubmitted her for registration when she shed out the wool.

  Linda


  .  One being the wool forward of the
  horns.  I have seen this only once in a four horn ewe.  Exceptional in
  coloring, fleece, marking, horns etc but was removed from the reg book and
  as you indicated as she got older the wool disappeared.  
  Peggy




  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Neal and Louise Grose" <nlgrose at yadtel.net>
  To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] registration question


  > I am going to skip what JSBA has as policy and go right to heart of the
  > previous question asked by Peggy. I think part of the reason that we do
  > not
  > see more outliers is that most experienced breeders do not send them in
  > for
  > registration. Perhaps we would rather cull them than get a reputation with
  > substandard animals.
  >
  > "How do these things happen in an established line of Jacobs Sheep?"
  >
  > As much as we might like to ignore it, there is variation in these type
  > traits and the sudden odd thing popping up is to be expected. This does
  > not
  > mean it is desirable, and I do not in the least question the inspectors if
  > they fail such animals. Including them in the flockbook would increase the
  > odds that we will have more non-standard sheep in the future, which would
  > undermine the value of other animals in our flock.
  >
  > Extreme color percentage is more common as an out-lying trait, but I have
  > seen wool forward of the horns as well. Of the two, wool forward of the
  > horns is MORE LIKELY to be evidence of cross-breeding, but I would be a
  > little skeptical of anyone that automatically regarded this as
  > cross-breeding. Neither of these things is the result of a single gene
  > that
  > pops out showing the "polluting effect" after many generations.
  >
  > Excessive white or excessive color are the result of natural variations in
  > the piebald expression. In a random sampling of animals without selection
  > against the trait, the color range will expand and there will constantly
  > be
  > more and more out-liers.
  >
  > In my experience, selection for greater fineness of fleece and more wool
  > quantity will eventually produce some individuals with "bangs". This may
  > well shed off after the first year or so.
  >
  > It might be better to always evaluate our sheep only as mature animals.
  > However, we need to remember that our goal with Jacobs is hard to achieve,
  > because we are seeking to keep them average within a range. Unlike Merino
  > where you can't get the wool too fine, or monster show Suffolks where you
  > can't get the ******* too big, we have to select against both extremes.
  > Percent color, horn set, wool fineness and weight, etc., all supposed to
  > be
  > kinda in the middle.
  >
  > Neal Grose
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Heather Hettick" <hettick1 at yahoo.com>
  > To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
  > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:41 AM
  > Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] registration question
  >
  >
  > >
  > > I have really light ewe lamb I'm agonizing over this year.  She
  > > otherwise
  > > looks good with nice horns, overall Jacob confirmation and she's a blue
  > > eyed lilac.  I doubt she has much over 10% color though.
  > >
  > > Doesn't JSBA have an appendix registration or something like that for
  > > ewes
  > > who don't quite meet the standards or has that changed?
  > >
  > > Heather Hettick
  > > Moonstruck Farm
  > > Creston, OH
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
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