[Jacob-list] Hunting Sheep

[Thomas P. Carnes]

But what about the truly expensive canned hunts where they are not looking for culls?  I have only been around a couple of months and I have already heard from folks who are only looking for the best rams for this purpose. I suspect, if someone will pay 1000 to shoot one (I have seen 850) that they might outbid you for a ram. There are places here that are breeding massive cross-breeds for size and horns only to hunt. They are not starting with culls as their foundation stock. The exotic hunters want a pretty trophy.   

I am too new at any of this to have a real opinion (ask me a legal question), but I do not think it is safe to assume that these guys are buying undesirable stock. 

This place in mason is 40 miles from our place. I may go take a look next week when I get back out there for spring break. There are several such places around us because it is pretty in a rugged and rocky way. 
Thomas P. Carnes
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-----Original Message-----
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:55:40 
To:JACI SIEHL <wedohoney at sbcglobal.net>, <Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Hunting Sheep


Excellent points, Jaci.

 
And here's a question - where is everyone taking their cull rams? Are you taking them to an auction where they may end returning to the breeding population?  Remember we have an open flock book - your culls can come back and be presented for registration. Or where they may go someplace where they are not humanely treated? I used to hunt - mostly birds (I love bird dogs) and deer. I honestly don't know anything about canned hunts, but I know it's possible in the wild to wound an animal and not be able to find it. I think maybe in canned hunts where someone is paying uptiddy dollars, at least we know the animal has been recovered. How many of you have a healthy ethnic market for your sheep?  Is that horrible?  How many of you would be thrilled to get $300 for your cull ram lambs? I would. I'm not raising pets - I'm raising livestock. 
  
Is this "deja vu all over again?".  Didn't we do this ebay thing 3 weeks or so ago?  There's really only one ram there (the one with the horrible forward horns) that could be considered a Jacob. Peggy, please don't get PETA involved. Wasn't it PETA that burned the Lasseau barn with the sheep inside? 
  
Linda


 

  
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> Ok - I don't mean to make enemies but I do have a couple 

> observations and comments regarding these hunts.  I kept quiet on 

> the last round of postings about the hunt clubs, but I can't keep 

> quiet any longer. 

> 

> First I think it very interesting that many of the sheep appear to 

> have been freshly sheared......odd, huh? 

> 

> Now for the part many of you won't like.  Many of the rams in the 

> pictures have horns that would not allow them to be registered and 

> something none of us trying to preserve the breed would want to use 

> as a herd sire.  So, that being said, what would have become of the 

> ram if not at the hunting club?  Into someone's freezer, with the 

> pelt and maybe the head processed and sold to a customer.  

> 

> I use to hunt and really enjoyed it - but I now prefer to eat meat 

> that has been humanly slaughtered and not taken by hunting.  That 

> is my choice. 

> 

> I know that many more wild animals would starve to death if some of 

> the populations were not controlled by hunting, or the predators 

> would become too numerous and dangerous to man.  I believe in our 

> right to hunt - I don't want anyone to take that away from me or 

> anyone else.....my heart breaks when I think of some animal I am 

> close to like Jacob sheep being hunted - but I can't be a hypocrite 

> and say it is ok to hunt bears, coyotes, or mountain lions because 

> they are eating our sheep and not think that the same should hold 

> true for other animals.  I don't believe in waste in taking any 

> life - I don't' even kill mice - I catch and move them. 

> 

> We all get emotional because we are close to this breed - but are 

> they so different from the big horn sheep in the wild?  Remember in 

> some cultures they wouldn't eat a cow if their life depended on it 

> and in others horse and dog are a part of their regular diet. 

> 

> Hunting is a right and if we don't agree with it all we can do is 

> not hunt and not knowingly supply animals to to be hunted.  Hunting 

> clubs are similar to fishing farm-raised fish - whether in a big 

> lake or some pond at the farm, but how many get emotional over 

> catching a trout? 

> 

> OK - I'm stepping off my soap box now - I just hope you remember 

> that an opinion is not the same as a right and we must defend our 

> rights. _______________________________________________

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