[Jacob-list] Jacobs to New Zealand

[Williams Family]

I don't know for sure about the legitimacy - the questions asked seemed sincere and we have had various discussions in the past with folks from New Zealand and Australia. I think "Aotearoa" is the politically correct name for New Zealand - what the locals called the north island before the British colonized it.  That said, I'm certainly not vouching for this person, nor do I want to be involved in any transaction. I just offered to pass along the message since Tracy can't seem to get subscribed. 

Regarding the status of the list - back in December I opened a discussion about the future of this list, given that my internet provider is no longer supporting it and i can't do the administrative stuff any more. There is a list in Yahoo groups which may be an eventual replacement for this one once it dies. I planned to make some decisions by January but didn't get them done - sorry short attention span. For now, I'm just leaving things as is, since it seems that people are still using it and doing nothing is easier than doing something. 

- Mark  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: humbug7 at att.net 
  To: Williams Family ; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Jacobs to New Zealand


  Are you sure this is legitimate?  I get requests on a regular basis to export jacob sheep to (pick a country of your choice, generally a small/ unheard of country that you'd know if you either lived there or checked your atlas).  This is usually a scam, they send a cashiers check for way more than you asked and then you refund the extra money.  Trouble is the check is a forgery and you are out the money that you refunded.



  I doubt highly that anyone could afford to transport and import Jacob sheep to another country.  If I recall, Australia does not allow imports except under very rigorous standards and for specific reasons.  



  Exporting from the US requires a LOT of paperwork.  



  Kate Shirley

  Humbug Farm


   

    -------------- Original message from "Williams Family" <williams at jacobsheep.com>: -------------- 

     

    We got an email from Tracy Peters (see below) who is looking into the feasibility of importing Jacobs to New Zealand. I offered to pass this along to the list, since we don't have the time (or the sheep) to look into it. If anybody would like to follow up, please contact Tracy directly at tracy at redworks.co.nz . Could somebody also cross post this on the Yahoo list?

    - Mark Williams
      Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Tracy Peters 
    To: Williams Family 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:49 PM
    Subject: Re: JACOBS SHEEP


    Hello Williams family, thank you for your reply. I loved looking at your photo gallery seeing so many Jacobs sheep was a real treat.
    I'm sorry to hear that your flock is 'retired' but I also understand. If I might ask would you know of other's with Jacob Sheep who might at some future time be interested in considering exporting to Aotearoa via Australia?

    And I would be delighted if you could forward my email to whomever is overseeing the discussion forum.

    Thanks Tracy Peters

    The Jacob-list discussion group is still somewhat active, although we are in the process of transitioning it to a Yahoo group. My internet provider has withdrawn support for the list software, so I can no longer administer it and it may not be processing new subscriptions. If you would like, I can forward your email to the current list (assuming my subscription still works). 

    I'm sure many of us in the US would like to see representative Jacobs exported to areas that don't have them. Our flock, however, is in "retirement" - we stopped breeding and our ewes are showing their ages. I don't think they'd be up to the ordeal that would be required. I don't know if exporting is possible or not - it would certainly take a lot of time and energy on both sides. There may well be others active breeders here who would be interested in at least figuring out the next steps. 

    Please let me know if you'd like me to pass along your message to others. 

    - Mark Williams
      Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Tracy Peters 
      To: farm at jacobsheep.com 
      Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:25 PM
      Subject: JACOBS SHEEP


      Hi found your website while searching for information on Jacobs Sheep. We do not have any of this lovely breed in New Zealand. (yet). I tried to follow the link from your webpage to the discussion page to no avail. Is the email discussion site still available?

      I was wondering would you export Jacobs Sheep overseas to either Australia or Aotearoa? (New Zealand) specifically to either a zoo or wildlife park? or an approved private small holding (we call such life style blocks). I'm a retired Zoo keeper who has friends and contacts still working at Zoo's, we're all intrigued by Jacobs Sheep and would love to have some here.

      I understand such an undertaking could be expensive (the woes of being at the bottom of the world I guess) but if you were prepared to consider exporting the purchasers/sponsors at this end would cover the costs and sort out filing the screeds of paperwork necessary.

      I am only asking at this stage, one, to ascertain if you might consider such a request, two to discern if such an undertaking would be possible from the states. Bio security laws are strict in Aotearoa (New Zealand), Jabob Sheep would need to first land in Australia before being shipped to the mainland of Aotearoa (New Zealand).

      I have already expressed an interest to import to MAF - Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries, the agency here who overseas all imports of life stock. Maf, indicated they would consider an import request for Jacobs Sheep providing the stock does not come either by way of or from the UK. The main reason is due to scarpie, a horrific disease we do not have in NZ. 

      Maf suggested with some enthusiam (a rare display for a government agency) that I try to locate a breeder off shore who might be interested in exporting, and if/when I find such a brave sole, I then get back to them (MAF). Of course government agencies like to take there time (and lots of it) before they actually give the okay. So my desire for Jacobs Sheep in New Zealand is going to be a long drawn out process.

      I look forward to hearing back from you 

      Tracy Peters
      7 Poulson Street
      Addington Bush Reserve
      Christchurch
      Aotearoa
      New Zealand

      tracy at redworks.co.nz
      Cell Phone 027 2105 800
      Landline 03 3385451
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