[Jacob-list] Show judging

[Victoria da Roza]

Last summer we went to an open show and had a fairly
big Jacob class.  The judge had been given the
materials about Jacobs and how to rate them.  He just
lined them up from big to small.  He did this with
every breed he judged.  We all went to the Fair Office
and let our displeasure be known and this year there
was no open sheep show.   They cut it to just 4H so
sometimes the suggestions given do not work..they just
make the Fair decide it is not worth it to have an
open show.  It surprised me cause the Jacobs were the
stars of the animal displays...people came to them
like magnets and asked lots of questions.  Victoria
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> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:41:30 -0700 (PDT)

> From: "Joy Thomas, SonRise Farm"

> <shepherdofspots at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] sheep show concerns

> To: Marguerite Van Beek <pegvanbeek at msn.com>,

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> Peggy - how sad! I just drove to the AGM Saturday

> with

> my family and met Laura from Southwind Farm and pick

> up a gorgeous 2H ram to use as our herd sire here at

> Son Rise Farm. We prefer 2H Jacobs, especially since

> our children show them at the State Fair each year

> and

> help a lot with our animals. Need to get some photos

> of him on our website. One that's there is a "baby

> picture"! <grin>

> 

> I think education is the key here. Perhaps sending

> the

> judge a copy of the Jacob breed standard?

> 

> We have a poster about Jacobs which we bring with us

> to Fairs and events and hang on our pen. They show

> both 2 and 4 horn Jacob sheep.

> 

> Wish we could have stayed at the AGM, but time and

> finances did not allow this year. It's also very hot

> here near Raleigh, NC. Over 100 degrees with heat

> index. My french angoras need to be checked

> throughout

> the day.

> 

> Happy fibering all!

> Joy T.

> Son Rise Farm - Creedmoor NC

> Home of The Fiber Flock

> www.shepherdofspots.com

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> 

> --- Marguerite Van Beek <pegvanbeek at msn.com> wrote:

> 

> > I hope all had  a good time at the AGM this year. 

> > the Sussex County Farm and HS as a very sad

> affair.

> > Evidently the Jacobs were all there but the other

> > breeds decided to skip this show due to a numerous

> > concerns one of which was the judge.   I never met

> > this judge but now I know why.  the first class

> was

> > the yearling jacobs.

> > I had a two horn and four horn.  After he placed

> my

> > four horn first he told me something that was very

> > upsetting.

> > He stated" In my country, (which is Ohio I have no

> > idea what that meant) they don't show their two

> horn

> > jacobs, they leave them home and cull them because

> a

> > two horn could be a cross-bred"  I couldn't

> believe

> > what he said!

> > I immediately told him that was absolutely false,

> > that I have a half jacob ewe that has perfect four

> > horns, and she is a crossbred.  That a two horn

> and

> > a four horn are acceptable jacobs!!!!!  Well, all

> > thru the entire jacob class all four horns

> > regardless of their overall appearance were placed

> > first and the two horn last.  What a shame!!!!

> > I know a lot of the Jacob breeders only breed four

> > horn that is their preference fine, but to tell a

> > judge or have a judge interpret that all jacobs

> have

> > to be four horn is wrong.  I have run into this

> > before with just new breeders always stated that

> > they have to have a four horn because a two horn

> is

> > useless in the breed and has to be culled out. 

> this

> > is why we have problems with judges and will have

> a

> > problem with the breed and the association if this

> > continues.

> > 

> > Peggy van Beek

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> Message: 2

> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:20:08 -500

> From: messen at socket.net

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] sheep show concerns

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> I agree with the sentiment that people should not

> judge what they do not 

> know.  We just had our county fair and my neighbor

> had similar problems 

> with a chicken. 

> I do want to come to the judges possible defense on

> his use of the phrase 

> "my country".  I have heard this phrase before and

> always thought of it as 

> a shorthand way of saying "my part of the country". 

> Just a way of 

> referring to an area of geography.  I am from

> Missouri, so this may be a 

> mid western phrase.  Then again, he may just be a

> secessionist. 

> 

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> Message: 3

> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:24:02 -0400

> From: "Boxalls" <melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] sheep show concerns

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> Clearly this man should never be allowed to judge

> things he knows nothing about again.

> 

> Melanie

> 

> Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus.

>   ----- Original Message ----- 

>   From: Marguerite Van Beek 

>   To: jacob-list 

>   Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:17 PM

>   Subject: [Jacob-list] sheep show concerns

> 

> 

>   I hope all had  a good time at the AGM this year. 

> the Sussex County Farm and HS as a very sad affair.

>   Evidently the Jacobs were all there but the other

> breeds decided to skip this show due to a numerous

> concerns one of which was the judge.   I never met

> this judge but now I know why.  the first class was

> the yearling jacobs.

> 

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Victoria
Castle Rock Farm
Jacob Sheep & Nigerian Dwarf Goats
www.castlerockfarm.net


       
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