[Jacob-list] Re: Preliminary Board Minutes 4/27/03

[Betty Berlenbach]

Neal,

I just thought of something: what if all breeds have buried within them the
genetics or had the genetics for colors.  They are just finding some
moorits, for example, in romneys and corriedales, hidden under layers of
white and black.  If that is the case, then, look: here's the genetic
picture for shetlands, in terms of decreasing dominance: white, greys and
tans, black, moorit.  If that's the case, then do you suppose that somehow
there are two blacks, as Sponenberg has suggested, and one of them is the
recessive black of other breeds, to which the lilac is dominant, and under
the lilac is a recessive black, which comes out because event hough
recessive, it is dominant to moorit?  If that's the case, then some of your
lambs ought to be lilac and some black and white, depending on which gene
they get from mama, both of them being dominant over moorit Max.  If the
dominant black were present, then the lilac wouldn't be expressed.  ANd
other breeds have lost this dominant black, which would be dominant over
white et al.  How's that grab  you?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal and Louise Grose" <nlgrose at yadtel.net>
To: <rvnorton at rconnect.com>; "Betty Berlenbach, JSBA Director at Large"
<lambfarm at sover.net>; "Peg Bostwick, JSBA Director Reg. 2"
<jbohr1 at earthlink.net>; "Bob May, JSBA Director Reg. 3"
<newjerseyjacobs at yahoo.com>; "Judy Taylor, JSBA Director - Region 1"
<edeldalfarm at earthlink.net>; "Royal Unzicker, JSBA Director at Large"
<runzicker at erols.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: Preliminary Board Minutes 4/27/03


> Bob and all,
>
> The minutes look as least as good as my memory. I am always impressed with
> the quality of discussions that we have in our meetings and am grateful
for
> this group.
>
> This spring has been unbelievable. We are now 1.5 months behind with our
> work, and soils are so saturated with rain that I am not sure when we will
> be able to get corn planted. We normally shear in March before lambing,
but
> it has not stopped raining long enough to do so, and now that is not a
> priority. It is a rather depressing time to farm.
>
> I feel that after the initial shock, the membership may well decide that
> closing the flock book is not that bad of an idea. Open discussion and
> outreach is very important to this process.
>
> One of the biggest blocks to this system is what do we do with animals
that
> fail inspection and are lost to the registry. Ewes that fail but are
> passingly "Jacob" can be placed in the AC category.
>
> Since I have been aware of problems that have been made public, the
largest
> problem has been with rams that have been failed and have been used before
> being submitted for registry. Since these rams can not be ACed, and their
> offspring are not eligible for registry, this causes a great deal of
> resentment. If a ram can be reasonably be considered to be off-breed, then
> this is just too bad. When a ram simply has bad horns, then I have
> misgivings about this process. I sometimes speak too theoretically, but it
> is certainly possible that if someone is trying to preserve a unique
> bloodline that they would choose to use a ram for one generation that the
> rest of us would not consider. I questioned the wisdom of not allowing
rams
> to be placed in the AC category 10 or 14 years ago, and my opinion has not
> changed in this regard. It seems that discriminating against an animal by
> placing them in the AC category should be adequate enough. It seems
> illogical to admit that a sheep is clearly authentic, and still not allow
> their offspring to enter the registration process. This is NOT the same as
> taking an everything goes attitude toward the registry.
>
> Neal Grose
>