[Jacob-list] Re: Jacob-list digest, Vol 1 #79 - 10 msgs
Elizabeth K. Norsworthy
ekn at together.net
Thu Jul 20 14:12:37 EDT 2000
My Jacob flock has been grazing with/sharing barn space with/ three full
grown Brown Swiss heifers for the past three years. Never a problem.
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> 1. sheep transport (linda)
> 2. Rare Breed Expo (Thomas Simmons)
> 3. software programs (D&K OBERLEF)
> 4. Re: software programs (AvillFarm at aol.com)
> 5. Dates (Thomas Simmons)
> 6. Re: Dates (WenlochFrm at aol.com)
> 7. Re: Dates (Thomas Simmons)
> 8. (no subject) (WenlochFrm at aol.com)
> 9. Pasturing (Aaron and Abigail Brown)
> 10. Re: Pasturing (Chovhani)
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> Message: 1
> From: linda <wolfpen at alltel.net>
> To: <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:19:18 -0400
> Subject: [Jacob-list] sheep transport
>
> Does anyone know of someone that does sheep transport in the=
> NC/GA/SC area? If
> so please email me
>
> Linda
> http://members.xoom.com/wolfpen
>
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> Message: 2
> From: "Thomas Simmons" <creagchild at monad.net>
> To: "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:22:16 -0400
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> Hello, Jacob-Friends...I mentioned this last year, and some of you were =
> interested in details, so here we go:
>
> New England heritage Breeds Conservancy
> Exhibition & Sale of Livestock
> Hancock Shaker Village
> Hancock, Massachusetts (nr. the NYS line)
> Saturday & Sunday September 23-24
>
> Tel: 413-698-2044
> Fax: 413-698-3401
> Web: www.nehbc.org
> email: contact at nehbc.org
>
> Here's the deal: Last year, THEY paid US to bring our animals. It is a =
> rare breeds exhibition, open to the public, at a local historic shaker =
> village. Animals are in the barn or in tents outside. You are allowed, =
> and in fact encouraged, to use this as an opportunity to sell your =
> animals & promote your Breed! (Could even be used as a forum for some =
> folks to switch rams for next season, hmmm?) Camping available free =
> on-site.
>
> Anyway, there's the info. =20
>
> Oh, and the entertainment. Anyone remember the song, "wake up to the =
> make-up, that's all we do, first you love me, then you hate me, it's a =
> game for fools...?"
>
> My four year old was recently caught singing a new version: "Wake up, =
> with a Jacob, that's all we do..." =20
>
> thom
>
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Hello, Jacob-Friends...I mentioned this last =
> year, and=20
> some of you were interested in details, so here we go:</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>New England heritage Breeds =
> Conservancy</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Exhibition & Sale of =
> Livestock</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Hancock Shaker Village</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Hancock, Massachusetts (nr. the NYS =
> line)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Saturday & Sunday September =
> 23-24</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV>Tel: 413-698-2044</DIV>
> <DIV>Fax: 413-698-3401</DIV>
> <DIV>Web: <A href=3D"http://www.nehbc.org">www.nehbc.org</A></DIV>
> <DIV>email: <A =
> href=3D"mailto:contact at nehbc.org">contact at nehbc.org</A></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Here's the deal: Last year, THEY paid US to bring our =
> animals. =20
> It is a rare breeds exhibition, open to the public, at a local historic =
> shaker=20
> village. Animals are in the barn or in tents outside. You =
> are=20
> allowed, and in fact encouraged, to use this as an opportunity to sell =
> your=20
> animals & promote your Breed! (Could even be used as a forum =
> for some=20
> folks to switch rams for next season, hmmm?) Camping available free=20
> on-site.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Anyway, there's the info. </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Oh, and the entertainment. Anyone remember the song, =
> "wake up to=20
> the make-up, that's all we do, first you love me, then you hate me, it's =
> a game=20
> for fools...?"</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>My four year old was recently caught singing a new version: =20
> "Wake up, with a Jacob, that's all we do..." </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>thom</DIV>
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> Message: 3
> From: "D&K OBERLEF" <oberlef at desupernet.net>
> To: "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:50:50 -0700
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> Subject: [Jacob-list] software programs
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> I have recently came across a software program called iBreed Pedigree =
> and Livestock System which looks very helpful for documenting info on =
> breeding programs and making pedigrees for our flock. At this point it =
> is capable of printing out a five generation document, but the makers =
> are considering making it capable for more since many breeders voiced =
> interest.=20
>
> Originally designed for breeding rabbits, the makers have created it to =
> be fairly simple and adaptable for many other types of animals. The =
> makers are located in London and the program costs $75 (US dollars) for =
> the basic, $90 for the addition of their genetics software. From off =
> the Internet, a free trial software can be downloaded allowing you to =
> document 50 animals (each new animal on a pedigree is considered one so =
> it adds up fast). It can be found at =
> www.ibreed.ukgateway.net/download.htm=20
>
> I am considering buying this program, but wanted to check if other =
> people have come across other programs they like. Any other =
> suggestions?
>
> Katrina Lefever, Hanover PA.=20
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I have recently came across a =
> software program=20
> called iBreed Pedigree and Livestock System which looks very helpful for =
>
> documenting info on breeding programs and making pedigrees for our =
> flock. =20
> At this point it is capable of printing out a five generation document, =
> but the=20
> makers are considering making it capable for more since many breeders =
> voiced=20
> interest. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Originally designed for breeding =
> rabbits, the=20
> makers have created it to be fairly simple and adaptable for many other =
> types of=20
> animals. The makers are located in London and the program costs $75 (US =
> dollars)=20
> for the basic, $90 for the addition of their genetics software. =
> From off=20
> the Internet, a free trial software can be downloaded allowing you to =
> document=20
> 50 animals (each new animal on a pedigree is considered one so it adds =
> up=20
> fast). It can be found at <A=20
> href=3D"http://www.ibreed.ukgateway.net/download.htm">www.ibreed.ukgatewa=
> y.net/download.htm</A>=20
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I am considering buying this =
> program, but wanted=20
> to check if other people have come across other programs they =
> like. Any=20
> other suggestions?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Katrina Lefever, Hanover=20
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> Message: 4
> From: AvillFarm at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:29:41 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] software programs
> To: oberlef at desupernet.net, jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
>
> I haven't used the program you mentioned, but there are a number of
programs
> designed for tracking rabbit pedigrees that are produced in the states.
One
> person I know even uses (or at least used to use) a family tree type
program
> which had the capacity to go back much more than 5 generations; it was
also
> flexible enough to allow you to have children before you were a year old
and
> marry your father (the latter is sometimes done in breeding rabbits).
>
> I believe that Evans software allows one to go back for more than 5
> generations already for about the same price. If anyone wants the url for
> them or a few others to look into, just ask and I'll post it to the list.
> Elaina at Avillion Farm
>
>
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> Message: 5
> From: "Thomas Simmons" <creagchild at monad.net>
> To: "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:23:22 -0400
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> Last year I ran Shetlands with my Jacobs, and was very tied to the =
> "shetland" schedule for seperating rams & ewes & whatnot. Now that =
> we're Exclusively Jacob, I'm wondering if I need to seperate them as =
> early as I did last year (Aug 1). My general plan was to seperate them =
> on Sept 1, bring the breeding partners together Oct 31, and reunite =
> everone again on December 21. Does that reasonable?
>
> thom
>
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> <DIV>Last year I ran Shetlands with my Jacobs, and was very tied to the=20
> "shetland" schedule for seperating rams & ewes &=20
> whatnot. Now that we're Exclusively Jacob, I'm wondering if I need =
> to=20
> seperate them as early as I did last year (Aug 1). My general plan =
> was to=20
> seperate them on Sept 1, bring the breeding partners together Oct 31, =
> and=20
> reunite everone again on December 21. Does that reasonable?</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>thom</DIV>
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> Message: 6
> From: WenlochFrm at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:36:53 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Dates
> To: creagchild at monad.net, jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
>
> In a message dated 7/19/00 6:34:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> creagchild at monad.net writes:
>
> >
> > Last year I ran Shetlands with my Jacobs, and was very tied to the "
> > shetland" schedule for seperating rams & ewes & whatnot. Now that we're
> > Exclusively Jacob, I'm wondering if I need to seperate them as early as
I
> did
> > last year (Aug 1). My general plan was to seperate them on Sept 1,
bring
> the
> > breeding partners together Oct 31, and reunite everone again on December
> 21.
> > Does that reasonable?
> >
> My advice is to separate them Aug 1st. Many a Jacob lamb has been born in
> January.
>
> Joan Franklin
>
>
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> Message: 7
> From: "Thomas Simmons" <creagchild at monad.net>
> To: <AvillFarm at aol.com>, "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Dates
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:51:54 -0400
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> Well, first I guess I have to seperate them on Aug 1 anyway (thanks,
Joan!)
>
> Shetlands are actually known for the "Shetland effect" - if you seperate
> them a for a few months, and then put them together - just about
regardless
> of the time of the year - the ewes will come into heat. It's not
> necessarily something you WANT to do, but if you get a shetalnd surprise
at
> a strange time of year, you can bet that that's what happened.
>
> thom
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AvillFarm at aol.com <AvillFarm at aol.com>
> To: creagchild at monad.net <creagchild at monad.net>
> Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Dates
>
>
> >Thom,
> >
> >Do you mean to say that Shetlands will breed earlier in the year than
> >Jacobs????
> >A fellow shepherd who lives near me has Jacobs and generally starts
lambing
> >in late January or early February, but then again her ram runs with the
> ewes
> >continuously and maybe that makes a difference. When I look at the
> flockbook
> >for Shetlands, it seems like almost no lambs are born in Jan and Feb and
> that
> >the peak of lambing season is March and April with it dribbling out into
> May
> >and then a few stragglers in June and July. Thanks for any clarification
> you
> >can provide. Elaina at Avillion
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> From: WenlochFrm at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:14:31 EDT
> To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
> Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject)
>
> Shearing day finally happened here. What a sight! Everyone is running
around
> looking like plucked chickens. The lambs are searching for their mothers
and
> haven't a clue as to which one she is, and the rams had to be separated
> because they were trying to seriously hurt one another. Speaking of rams,
I
> guess it's time I thinned some of them out. After wrestling more than a
dozen
> of them to the floor, the shearer, with sweat running down his face,
wanted
> to know if I was running a refuge for rams. That did it. After that I
didn't
> have the nerve to mention the ones still waiting to be done in outside
pens,
> so now I guess I'll have to be doing them myself by hand. I'm easily
> intimidated. Well, got to go for now. Time to go feed the refugees.
>
> Joan Franklin
>
>
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> Message: 9
> From: "Aaron and Abigail Brown" <blotham at sigecom.net>
> To: "JacobSheep" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:30:55 -0500
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> Good Morning All,
>
> Do any of you pasture, or paddock, your Jacobs with a cow [heifer, =
> etc.]?
>
> Interested in your experience if you do.
>
> Aaron=20
> Shiloh Farm
> Indiana USA
> blotham at sigecom.net
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Good Morning =
> All,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Do any of you =
> pasture, or paddock,=20
> your Jacobs with a cow [heifer, etc.]?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Interested in your =
> experience if=20
> you do.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Aaron </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Shiloh =
> Farm</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Indiana =
> USA</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3><A=20
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> From: "Chovhani" <melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca>
> To: "JacobSheep" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Pasturing
> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:27:31 -0400
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> We do in a small way, our bottle lamb and bottle calf are inseparable =
> companions. They share a stall at night (their choice) and never leave =
> each other while out grazing.=20
> Melanie
>
> Live well, laugh often, love much.
>
> Westwind Grove Organics
> http://earthhome.tripod.com
>
> http://www.egroups.com/group/Pagan-Farmers
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Aaron and Abigail Brown=20
> To: JacobSheep=20
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 5:30 AM
> Subject: [Jacob-list] Pasturing
>
>
> Good Morning All,
>
> Do any of you pasture, or paddock, your Jacobs with a cow [heifer, =
> etc.]?
>
> Interested in your experience if you do.
>
> Aaron=20
> Shiloh Farm
> Indiana USA
> blotham at sigecom.net
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>We do in a small way, our bottle lamb and =
> bottle calf=20
> are inseparable companions. They share a stall at night (their choice) =
> and never=20
> leave each other while out grazing. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>Melanie</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Live well, laugh often, love much.</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Westwind Grove Organics<BR><A=20
> href=3D"http://earthhome.tripod.com">http://earthhome.tripod.com</A></DIV=
> >
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><A=20
> href=3D"http://www.egroups.com/group/Pagan-Farmers">http://www.egroups.co=
> m/group/Pagan-Farmers</A></DIV>
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A href=3D"mailto:blotham at sigecom.net" =
> title=3Dblotham at sigecom.net>Aaron and=20
> Abigail Brown</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
> href=3D"mailto:jacob-list at jacobsheep.com"=20
> title=3Djacob-list at jacobsheep.com>JacobSheep</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 20, 2000 =
> 5:30=20
> AM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Jacob-list] =
> Pasturing</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Good Morning =
> All,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Do any of you =
> pasture, or=20
> paddock, your Jacobs with a cow [heifer, etc.]?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Interested in your =
> experience if=20
> you do.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Aaron </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Shiloh =
> Farm</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3>Indiana =
> USA</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DQuantas size=3D3><A=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:blotham at sigecom.net">blotham at sigecom.net</A></FONT></DIV>
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