[AGL] Fwd: Texans and guns

[michele mason]

My rule on killing, as if anyone cares, is use shot that is big enough  
to kill instantly. I have 20 gg single shot (always kept broke-down),  
small shot for small varmints and large for pigs. My 9mil is for  
humans.  mm

On Dec 9, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Gerry wrote:


> <<The buzzards may have migrated to Uvalde

> we aren't sure?<<

>

> They go south every November. Around here their departure is  

> synonymous with

> the arrival of the cranes, one bird for another. Sometime in the early

> spring the cranes will depart and the buzzards return...too cold for  

> them in

> winter, like these days it gets down into the teens every morning. Big

> raptors on the scene now, an occasional golden eagle, a large Northern

> Harrier which skims along the pastures in my zone, and big red tails  

> on high

> altitude patrol, along with the usual assortment of smaller hawks. If  

> it

> would rain we would get some bald eagles coming from upstream  

> following the

> rise.

>

> Javelina meat is for fools and coyotes only, very stringy and tough  

> and foul

> tasting. They say that if you cut out the musk gland it is edible. I  

> say no,

> maybe better but still not edible.

>

> Thank God we don't have Texas "sportsmen" to deal with. No exotics on  

> this

> side of the state. But the biologists are always up to something. In  

> some

> parts of the Gila they have poisoned the fish populations (mostly  

> rainbow

> trout) and replaced them with hatchery trout which they claim are the

> natives of the area. The hatchery trout don't know how to hunt and die  

> off,

> replaced with rainbow trout from upstream...The idea of returning the  

> area

> to the state it once represented (before the cows came) seems to  

> resonate

> with biologists. I say, Fine, let's start by getting rid of the cows.  

> As

> long as they are around they will dominate.

>

> Up in the mountains they are trying to reintroduce the wolves. But  

> every

> time one is suspected of killing a cow (grazing allotments in the  

> National

> Forest) it is caught and returned to captivity. Some of those poor  

> wolves

> have been rotated so many times they don't know where home is. Some

> ingenious ranchers have discovered the frequencies of the radios on the

> wolves collars and track them down...so much for high tech. Personally  

> I

> would rather have the forests populated with elk and wolves instead of  

> cows.

> This sentiment is growing but with the Repubs in control rangeland  

> reform is

> off the table.

>

> What about the hides of the Aodads? Can't you make seat covers or  

> something

> out of them?

> G

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Igor Loving" <lovingigor at hotmail.com>

> To: <austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:34 AM

> Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texans and guns

>

>

>> A gun to buy. Academy has a nifty 16 gage single shot with  

>> interchangeable

>> barrels. !6 gage and 22 cal. very nice and it is small and compact.  

>> Good

> for

>> varmints. @0 gage is OK too but not a show stopper. I use a 30 cal.

> carbine

>> with a folding stock and a 22 Sportsman revolver as my shooting  

>> devices of

>> choice.

>>

>> Yesterday in the sleet the next door rancher Dan and I after trying to

> start

>> the dozer for a half hour, wandered up to one of his first hog traps  

>> and

> low

>> and behold there were three Aoudads in the thing. No hogs. We do not  

>> like

>> sheep here, sort of a throw back to the range wars of Western Pulp

> Fiction.

>> As we watched from the hill we discussed what to do with the damn  

>> things?

>> Mutton is not high on the list of eating here in Deer Corn. We both  

>> agreed

>> the  stuff taste like sheep dung mixed with wool and urine. Unless  

>> there

> is

>> some recipe that makes it taste good?  There is a guy in Deer Corn who

>> claims to make sausage out of the things, lots of port fat to kill the

> taste

>> and spices.

>>

>> The pit we have is already full with five  Aoudads in it from last  

>> week

> and

>> the buzzards wouldn't even eat them.The buzzards may have migrated to

> Uvalde

>> we aren't sure? We discussed sending the sheep to HAMAS or Hezbollah  

>> via

> UPS

>> and chucked a lot on that one.

>>

>> These are so called exotic animals which were imported to the Abilene  

>> in

> the

>> fifties for hunting purposes. They are a real pestilence, they have  

>> pushed

>> the big horn sheep and the javelina out. They are worse than deer  on

>> gardens since they don't browse but clear cut. We have six traps set  

>> up

> and

>> feeders. The state wildlife biologist  was here again this week made

> another

>>   pronouncement that we need to cull the Aoudads and Pigs. There is a  

>> herd

>> of hogs on the ridge that has at least a dozen members. There are  

>> fifty or

>> sixty Aoudads on the range here. Dan shot a Black Buck day  before

> yesterday

>> that had gotten into one of the traps.  The biologist visited all the

> traps

>> and  alowed as how we ought to cut off the tops so the deer that get  

>> in

> can

>> jump out and we will do that next Monday. We  have to borrow Woody's

> welder

>> and rig but it is no big deal.

>>

>> Life in South Texas is always a hoot, never dull or boring.

>>

>> Charlie Loving

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> From: Frances Morey <frances_morey at yahoo.com>

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>>>

>>> Hmmm. I can taste them tamales, and sausage, too. Are javalinas  

>>> edible?

>>> Seeing the aftermath of the paint ball bullseye, how it might  

>>> interfere

>>> with the social interaction of the varmints, now that would be

> interesting.

>>> Ya' suppose the marked coons couldn't get laid?

>>>   Even a fake gun can get ya' killed, you know. Say the police raid  

>>> the

>>> wrong house.

>>>   Frances

>>>

>>> Gerry <mesmo at gilanet.com> wrote:

>>>   The pigs who come on my place are javelinas. Skulls of a few who  

>>> came

> at

>>> the

>>> wrong time adorn my patio. Only yesterday the whole herd was digging  

>>> in

> my

>>> compost zone, little piggies and all. Unfortunately the fled into the

> tall

>>> grass and I couldn't get a clean shot on them, but I fired a couple  

>>> just

> to

>>> get some respect, as Jon calls it.

>>>

>>> The skunks and ground squirrels get the cat food. A couple of skunks  

>>> per

>>> year (minimum) don't live to breed another litter. As for the  

>>> squirrels I

>>> haven't had much luck with a resident intruder, but you can bet that

> sooner

>>> or later it (they?) will get careless...

>>>

>>> I will admit that while I enjoy making a good shot, I do not enjoy  

>>> the

>>> killing...unusual conflict. But resident varmints take a sizeable  

>>> toll on

>>> one's resources, sooner or later. As for the pigs, they have  

>>> destroyed

> two

>>> gardens and receive no mercy.

>>>

>>> I use a .22. Also have a Sheridan Air Rifle which is far less  

>>> powerful

> but

>>> enough to kill small varmints.

>>>

>>> Jon, you could get one of those air pistols that shoot paint balls.  

>>> Some

>>> have a laser sight, hard to miss. While the pistol won't kill the  

>>> 'coons,

>>> it

>>> will sting and stain them, thus gaining you some respect. Also, they  

>>> look

>>> so

>>> real you could scare the hell out of an intruder with one.

>>> G

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Jon Ford"

>>> To:

>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:53 PM

>>> Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire

>>> tracks...

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Bill and Frances-- I have been thinking for a long time about  

>>>> buying a

>>> gun

>>>> to exterminate the huge racoons who eat my cat's food at night and

> show

>>> no

>>>> respect for me when I come out yelling at them. However, after the

>>> bracing

>>>> exchange below, I have decided to live and let live.

>>>>

>>>> Jon

>>>>

>>>>> From: "Bill Irwin"

>>>>> Reply-To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the

>>>>> 60s

>>>>> To: "survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the

>>>>> 60s"

>>>>> Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire

>>>>> tracks...

>>>>> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:36:15 -1000

>>>>>

>>>>> Well, that is a good, well thought out answer. I would have to  

>>>>> agree

>>> with

>>>>> you on most all points. I have 2 guns but now that I have given up  

>>>>> on

>>>>> exterminating the pigs or even shooting at them I don't know what  

>>>>> use

>>> they

>>>>> are any more. Oh, I remember - I am waiting for the revolution  

>>>>> (lets

>>> hope

>>>>> for a peaceful revolution).

>>>>> Ewie

>>>>>

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>>> From: Frances Morey

>>>>> To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s

>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:01 PM

>>>>> Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire

>>>>> tracks...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I agree with you Bill--haven't touched a gun in my adulthood, which

> it

>>>>> turned out is a lot longer than my childhood ever was. I might  

>>>>> think

>>>>> differently if I lived out in the county. I saw a shadow on my

> balcony

>>> once

>>>>> and remember thinking, "Why don't I have a gun when I need one."  

>>>>> The

>>>>> shadowy figure was a teenager, the son of someone known to me, who

> was

>>>>> being a peeping tom. He fessed up fast when I grabbed the phone and

>>> started

>>>>> calling 911. Still, 911 is never gonna be as fast as a speeding

> bullet.

>>> I

>>>>> just hope one never comes my way.

>>>>> The statistics are that guns in the home are more often used to  

>>>>> kill

>>>>> family members, even by accident, than against an intruder--even  

>>>>> used

>>> in

>>>>> suicide. There is also statistical evidence that the gun is not  

>>>>> only

>>> the

>>>>> reason for a crime, which lures the thief, but can be utilized by  

>>>>> the

>>>>> criminal against the gun owner. Unless you are fearless and well

>>> trained

>>>>> the gun can be easily removed from your hands and turned on you. If

> you

>>>>> scare someone by pointing a gun at them, imagine how pissed they  

>>>>> are

>>> when

>>>>> they wrestle it away and turn it on the First Pointer.

>>>>> I don't think there is so much wrong with gun ownership as there is

> in

>>>>> gun use. You never know how that is going to come out. I took care  

>>>>> of

>>> an

>>>>> elderly patient. He had lots of guns but what made my skin crawl  

>>>>> was

>>> when

>>>>> he went out one fine day and purchased bullets.

>>>>> Even some suicides want to take company along. With me it isn't

> about

>>>>> being a Christian. It's about being safe--safer without firearms.

>>>>> Best,

>>>>> Frances

>>>>>

>>>>> Bill Irwin wrote:

>>>>> Just out of curiosity I wanted to ask Frances and Michele how to

>>>>> rationalize guns use and Christianity, gun use and being a  

>>>>> peacenik.

>>>>> Since you both represent those two camps to some extent I thought  

>>>>> you

>>> might

>>>>> have some insight on those two dilemmas. Seems to me that gun use  

>>>>> is

>>>>> neither Christian nor peaceful.

>>>>> Aloha,

>>>>> Ewie

>>>>>

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>>> From: Frances Morey

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Hell, I'da shot at the horse drive-by shooter's car. If his

>>> defense

>>>>> would have been that he was shooting horses I would have said I was

>>>>> standing by the horse and thought he was shooting at me! I grew up

> with

>>>>> guns, too, even beat another kid at the hunting camp in a target

>>> shooting

>>>>> face off--he had won a ribbon in Boy Scout camp outshooting 500  

>>>>> other

>>>>> scouts. My dad was really proud of me. His dad gathered him up and

> they

>>>>> left hunting camp early.

>>>>> It's like this with me and guns, if you introduce a gun in a movie

>>>>> script at some point it has to be fired before the end of the  

>>>>> movie.

> I

>>> feel

>>>>> that if the potential is there, at some point it will be used,

>>> sometimes

>>> by

>>>>> the intruder--so I just as soon not have them or keep them.

>>>>> Once the bullets start flying and the scene is scattered with

>>> bodies

>>>>> it is moot to talk about who shot first. I try to avoid gun totin'

>>>>> neighborhoods. That's probably just a delusion.

>>>>> When Whitman happened guns came out of the woodwork all over the

>>>>> place even though the students were at that time forbidden to keep

>>>>> firearms.

>>>>> Best,

>>>>> Frances

>>>>>

>>>>> michele mason wrote:

>>>>> This sounds like gone too far. I am a gun carrier and do want

>>> the

>>>>> right

>>>>> to shoot anyone who breaks in to my place, or is menacing my

>>> land.

>>>>> I've

>>>>> had some scary close calls. So far, a warning shot seems to keep

>>>>> "them"

>>>>> away, but I'm still alert. I want to be sure I'm not signing

>>>>> something

>>>>> that might hinder my rights.

>>>>> We even had one guy driving by to shoot horses! He fired at

>>> mine,

>>>>> but

>>>>> missed. He did manage to kill several in Bastrop co. I don't

>>> know

>>>>> that

>>>>> they ever caught him. We couldn't shoot back, not even to

>>> disable

>>>>> his

>>>>> car because he was "on the roadway". If this bill gives me that

>>>>> right,

>>>>> I can't oppose it. Need more info. mm

>>>>>

>>>>> On Dec 7, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Frances Morey wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

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>>>>>> 15:25:47 -0600 (CST)

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